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Post by The Messiah Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:51 pm

I think people really under-rate this guy, especially Madrid fans.

Judging from what Madrid fans were saying before we faced Madrid I expected Ribery to completely dominate this guy, but that wasn't the case. He might not be that fast, but he's strong and rarely let anyone get past him, Ribery had to move to the centre and team up with Kroos, or team up with Schweini and Alaba or team up with Robben and Lahm on the right side to take advantage of weaker Coentrao and Marcelo. But he simply couldn't get past Arbeloa one on one.

He was never at fault in all Madrid goals, only treat that came from the left-side was Alaba amazing run, which Robben failed to finish off, but then that wasn't his fault but Pepe.

Judging from what I saw against Bayern and against Barca, I think Arbeloa is a good right-back and apart from Lahm, Alves and maybe Ivanovic, I dont think there is any Right back out there better than this guys. If I am asked to pick one Madrid defender to join Bayern, I will pick him ahead of, Marcelo, Coentrao and Pepe.

if you think there's, then name one.
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Post by Die Borussen Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:56 pm

:facepalm:

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Post by Arquitecto Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:57 pm

deadrave wrote: :facepalm:

Thats highly disrespectful and uncalled for. Idrio presents a good case for his own opinion as at least you should find the courtesy to back up your :facepalm:

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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:58 pm

he has a point, Arbeloa steps up big time in big games. He has however problems in their of consistency, and he will struggle to perform that highly if he chains games for us.

in Big games however, he hardly ever disappointed me, he might not be an attacking genius, but he defends.
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Post by Die Borussen Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:04 pm

if i had a a dollar for every time i was angry cause of arbeloa this season i would be rich

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Post by The Messiah Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:04 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:he has a point, Arbeloa steps up big time in big games. He has however problems in their of consistency, and he will struggle to perform that highly if he chains games for us.

in Big games however, he hardly ever disappointed me, he might not be an attacking genius, but he defends.

ok. unless of course if he's not consistent, but against Barca he played reasonably offensive, had a powerful shot on target. But against Bayern I think Mourinho asked him not to attack. he was more like a CB.

My respect for him, completely held his ground against Ribery, watch the match Against City and compare Ribery performance against Richard to Arbeloa, then people will have ideal about what I am talking about.

Richard looks big and stronger than Arbeloa, but Ribery tormented him, to the point he got confused and started making mistakes.

Arbeloa was calm and never missed a tackle.


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Post by Sushi Master Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:04 pm

I agree with him. Arbeloa is a very good defender, it's just you guys want a Roberto Carlos type who bombs up and down the wing, which he surely ain't. If you had more midfield control or better wingers you wouldn't need so much emphasis on your fullbacks to open up space.

I wouldn't put him at Alves or Lahm level, but defensively he's top notch.
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Post by Freeza Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:06 pm

Yeah he is good defensively, offers almost nothing in the offensive game and he gets the most stupid and un-called for yellow cards
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:07 pm

Idrisozet wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:he has a point, Arbeloa steps up big time in big games. He has however problems in their of consistency, and he will struggle to perform that highly if he chains games for us.

in Big games however, he hardly ever disappointed me, he might not be an attacking genius, but he defends.

ok. unless of course if he's not consistent, but against Barca he played reasonably offensive, had a powerful shot on target. But against Bayern I think Mourinho asked him not to attack. he was more like a CB.

My respect for him, completely held his ground against Ribery, watch the match Against City and compare Ribery performance against Richard to Arbeloa, then people will have ideal about what I am talking about.

Richard looks big and stronger than Arbeloa, but Ribery tormented him, to the point he got confused and started making mistakes.

Yeah it's because Arbeloa is an excellent marker. I remember last season we had a cup tie against Sevilla, and he shut off Navas the same way.

Come to think of it, Azpilicueta also did a very good job against Ribery with Marseille.
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Post by The Messiah Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:13 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:
Idrisozet wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:he has a point, Arbeloa steps up big time in big games. He has however problems in their of consistency, and he will struggle to perform that highly if he chains games for us.

in Big games however, he hardly ever disappointed me, he might not be an attacking genius, but he defends.

ok. unless of course if he's not consistent, but against Barca he played reasonably offensive, had a powerful shot on target. But against Bayern I think Mourinho asked him not to attack. he was more like a CB.

My respect for him, completely held his ground against Ribery, watch the match Against City and compare Ribery performance against Richard to Arbeloa, then people will have ideal about what I am talking about.

Richard looks big and stronger than Arbeloa, but Ribery tormented him, to the point he got confused and started making mistakes.

Yeah it's because Arbeloa is an excellent marker. I remember last season we had a cup tie against Sevilla, and he shut off Navas the same way.

Come to think of it, Azpilicueta also did a very good job against Ribery with Marseille.

No....lol Very Happy But to some extent yes.

The Crowd did a good against Ribery with Marseille, Ribery bossed Marseille 2nd leg.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:14 pm

He did, but he didnt boss Azpilicueta at all Very Happy

here is me hoping for a RB we wont take notice of, until he gets into the Spain senior team


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Post by The Messiah Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:14 pm

Can Arbeloa also play as CB, Bayern still need one more Versatile defender, say for example we fail to land Howedes, we can snatch him up.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:15 pm

Idrisozet wrote:Can Arbeloa also play as CB, Bayern still need one more Versatile defender, say for example we fail to land Howedes, we can snatch him up.

You can snatch up Albiol right now, his bags are ready
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Post by Sushi Master Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:17 pm

I'd take Albilol as a van Buyten replacement, TBH.

You know, mostly bench duty Wink
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:17 pm

Defense is never his problem.

It is frustrating that he never does anything in attack.
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Post by Zealous Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:18 pm

When the chips come down Arbeloa can mark your best player 1v1. He'll talk trash, he'll pull your shirt, he'll stop you from getting a ball going out of bounds and he'll get your face if you try to get in his.

As far as defence goes he's a beast imo, because he has intelligence and more importantly desire. Physically he isn't tip top any more but I trust him to put in a great performance when needed.
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:19 pm

I have to agree that Azpi made Ribery look like CR7 when faced off against any decent fullback.

In laymans terms, he made him so invisible you couldn't even see his scar.
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Post by The Messiah Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:30 pm

Arquitecto wrote:I have to agree that Azpi made Ribery look like CR7 when faced off against any decent fullback.

In laymans terms, he made him so invisible you couldn't even see his scar.

1st or 2nd leg..

The crowd made Ribery look invisible in the first leg against Marseille
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Post by DZGB Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:31 pm

I lurk on this forum quite often and wonder if many of you have played football at a serious level because it's obvious to see arbreola is a very good rb. He is a rb after all and it seems that many Madrid fans want a wingback, but there has to be a certain balance on this team especially based on how Madrid play. Arbeola has been immense this season, yes he has his flaws when it comes to attack and when dealing with speedy players but his positioning is amazing. He is a leader out the back and seems to have the tactical know how on how to deal with defender. I can't remember the last time he had a poor game, Mou has certainly brought the best out of him. There aren't many players available that a better than him for us. Azipilcueta is not better than Arbeola at the moment. Mou has lots of faith in him and has said he can always count on him, keep the faith in our product and lets not be so fickle.

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Post by hrealmadrid Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:43 pm

Anybody who watches Madrid consistently knows that Arbeloa is a solid RB, particularly at the back. But they would also know that he is streaky, not entirely consistent and makes some serious mistakes. He goes through spurts, and while he's normally playing well, he goes through these 3 or 4 game stretches where he just isn't up to par.
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Post by The Messiah Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:56 pm

DZGB wrote:I lurk on this forum quite often and wonder if many of you have played football at a serious level because it's obvious to see arbreola is a very good rb. He is a rb after all and it seems that many Madrid fans want a wingback, but there has to be a certain balance on this team especially based on how Madrid play. Arbeola has been immense this season, yes he has his flaws when it comes to attack and when dealing with speedy players but his positioning is amazing. He is a leader out the back and seems to have the tactical know how on how to deal with defender. I can't remember the last time he had a poor game, Mou has certainly brought the best out of him. There aren't many players available that a better than him for us. Azipilcueta is not better than Arbeola at the moment. Mou has lots of faith in him and has said he can always count on him, keep the faith in our product and lets not be so fickle.

You need to post more often, we need more intelligent Real-Madrid posters like you.

it seems most Real-Madrid fans don't appreciate what they alreayd have, I still think the only position Madrid can improve is Khedira role, they need a destroyer in that position and Alonso needs to push forward more often.

Also Di Maria role can can considered, there are players out there better than Di-Maria and Khedira and their respective position.

But apart from Lahm, Ivanovic and Alves I don't think there are players out there better than Arbeloa, his defensive ability out-weight the need for going forward.


Selling Kaka and Higuain is also retarded, Kaka they need to play him more often and I share thesame opinion as Huntsman in regards to Kaka.
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Post by Lord Hades Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:08 pm

i still remember how we got raped by pato in the first leg in 2010 ,and we played arbeloa on the left in the return leg.. by hook or by crook, a lot by crook actually he contained pato pretty well
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Post by Senor Penguin Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:21 pm

DZGB wrote:I lurk on this forum quite often and wonder if many of you have played football at a serious level because it's obvious to see arbreola is a very good rb. He is a rb after all and it seems that many Madrid fans want a wingback, but there has to be a certain balance on this team especially based on how Madrid play. Arbeola has been immense this season, yes he has his flaws when it comes to attack and when dealing with speedy players but his positioning is amazing. He is a leader out the back and seems to have the tactical know how on how to deal with defender. I can't remember the last time he had a poor game, Mou has certainly brought the best out of him. There aren't many players available that a better than him for us. Azipilcueta is not better than Arbeola at the moment. Mou has lots of faith in him and has said he can always count on him, keep the faith in our product and lets not be so fickle.
The reason why Madrid fans "want" a wingback is because that's what Mou would like for his formation. Arbeloa is an excellent defender but literally does nothing upfront. Especially against proper opponents like Bayern. We simply lack someone like Maicon.

The reason why we're content with Arbeloa offensively is because Di Maria usually operates as both a wingback and a winger (those who've seen the Copa Del Rey final know how hard Di Maria works). Against Bayern that wasn't meant to be because Di Maria had recently returned from a long injury and wasn't at all in the same shape.

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Post by Grande_Milano Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:43 pm

arbeloa>johnson any day
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Post by Babun Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:46 pm

Arbeloa has been a defensive frailty all season long bar the last month. In big games, he steps up which us admirable but he was at fault for many goals conceded this season.

Knee jerk is knee jerk. We'll keep him but someone else for rotation is needed.
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