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Post by juventus101 Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:32 pm

Just head to head comparisons between the players.

Neuer vs Casillas
Lahm vs Marcelo
Boateng vs Ramos
Badstuber vs Pepe
Alaba vs Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger vs Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos vs Khedira
Ribery vs Ronaldo
Muller vs Ozil
Robben vs Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez vs Benzema
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Post by Pedram Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:10 pm

Neuer = Casillas
Lahm < Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba > Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger > Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos = Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller < Ozil
Robben = Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez = Benzema
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Post by Sushi Master Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:16 pm

I don't like these head to head type things.

It's the equivelant of "my team is better than yours" without any sort of reasoning.
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Post by juventus101 Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:06 pm

Gomez, Robben, and Lahm are far superior to Benzema, Di Maria, and Marcelo. And Ribery = Ronaldo, and actually Ribery is better in big games. Also, if your gonna say Ozil is better than Muller, which is ever so slight, then Neuer is better than Casillas by about the same margin in my opinion.
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Post by Le Samourai Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:20 pm

Benzema us better than all Bayerns players put together.







Since were just saying pointless shit.
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Post by Mamad Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:15 pm

Benzema is better than Gomez at everything except scoring. imo Higuain = Gomez.

Di Maria is equal to Robben at dribbling and attacking abilities and he is far superior in defending.

Marcelo will eat lahm or any Bayern defence alive if you talk about offense. but yeah in defense Lahm is far superior.

Ribery is better at dribbling and passing than Ronaldo but if you compare them as threat to opponent's defense then Ronaldo is far superior.

but i agree this comparison's are childish and mean nothing. in this type of matches that both teams have pretty equal talents the team who is more organized, mistake free and well prepared will win.
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Post by rwo power Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:18 pm

day form >>> paper form :coffee:
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Post by Valkyrja Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:35 pm

Neuer < Casillas
Lahm = Marcelo (marcelo is better in attack, lahm is better in defense)
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba > Arbeloa (arbeloa is in bad form)
Schweinsteiger > Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos = Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller < Ozil
Robben = Di Maria
Gomez < Benzema
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Post by ioilersrock448 Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:20 pm

Neuer = Casillas
Lahm > Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba < Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger > Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos > Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller = Ozil
Robben > Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez > Benzema
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Post by zarola Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:45 pm

Neuer = Casillas
Lahm > Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba < Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger = Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos < Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller < Ozil
Robben > Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez > Benzema
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Post by Ganso Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:34 pm

Neuer < Casillas
Lahm > Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba = Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger > Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos >Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller < Ozil
Robben = Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez < Benzema
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Post by zarola Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:11 pm

how whaat I don't even get it how are so many people not putting Robben as the better choice I thought that was a clear obvious one
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Post by Tomasso Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:38 am

lol did some guy say that Ronaldo = Ribery? Give me some of what you're smoking pal, I'm stressed out.
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Post by schwarzgelb Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:18 pm

Neuer < Casillas
Lahm < Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba < Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger > Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos < Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller < Ozil
Robben > Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez < Benzema
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:46 pm

neuer = casillas
lahm < marcelo/coentrao
boateng < ramos
badstuber < pepe
alaba < arbeloa
schweinsteiger = alonso
kroos = khedira
ribery < ronaldo
muller < ozil
robben = di maria
gomez = higuain < benzema

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Post by LeBéninois Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:35 pm

Pedram wrote:Neuer = Casillas
Lahm < Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba > Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger > Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos = Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller < Ozil
Robben = Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez = Benzema
Lol, i like to do those things too but it doesn't work like that ------- fortunately
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Post by Red Alert Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:29 pm

Neuer = Casillas
Lahm > Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber = Pepe
Alaba < Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger = Alonso
Kroos > Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller = Ozil
Robben > Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez < Benzema
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Post by 7amood11 Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:30 pm

Neuer > Casillas
Lahm > Marcelo
Boateng < Ramos
Badstuber < Pepe
Alaba < Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger = Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos > Khedira
Ribery < Ronaldo
Muller < Ozil
Robben > Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez > Benzema


Very equal on paper, but the performance on the pitch is the only thing that will matter.
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:51 pm

juventus101 wrote:Just head to head comparisons between the players.

Neuer vs Casillas
Lahm vs Marcelo
Boateng vs Ramos
Badstuber vs Pepe
Alaba vs Arbeloa
Schweinsteiger vs Alonso
Gustavo/Kroos vs Khedira
Ribery vs Ronaldo
Muller vs Ozil
Robben vs Di Maria/Kaka
Gomez vs Benzema

It's completely irrelevant, but I'll play:

Neuer = Casillas (Neuer not having his best season, but he used to be better than Iker last season)
Lahm > Marcelo (Better at everything)
Boateng < Ramos (Boateng has all the attributes and talents, but he's just a liability)
Badstuber = Pepe (Pepe is sort of a better Boateng, and Goodstuber got his badass passing going for him)
Alaba > Arbeola (on current form, Alaba has been on fire, Arbeola has been the opposite)
Schweinsteiger > Alonso (Most complete midfielder in the world wins.)
Kroos > Khedira > Gustavo (Though if Piggy and Kroos play together, Bayern lack muscle in defence, Xabi and Khedira are more balanced)
Ribéry < Ronaldo (CR7 wins this by a VERY slim margin)
Müller < Özil (Özil is better, but Müller is MUCH more of a goal threat and doens't need to distribute like Özil does, because Ribéry, Kroos and Piggy do that)
Robben > Di Maria (no-brainer)
Gomez = Benzema (Benz is easily the better player, but Gomez is the better CF and that's his position, so Gomez is the better specialist, while Benz is just much more complete)

Mou >>> Heynckes

This is totally gonna be decided by form, nerves, and luck. The teams are f*cking close on paper. Bayern doesn't have a bench, though.
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Post by juventus101 Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:32 pm

Neuer is slightly better than Casillas in my opinion. He hasnt been as good as he was last season, but still the best in the world in my opinion.

Lahm is better than Marcelo at everything except dribbling, but Lahm is a very good dribbler as well.

Boateng is in a bit of an identity crisis, being a centerback but sometimes thinking hes a rightback. So he makes stupid mistakes sometimes, but is overall still a great defender. Slight nod to Ramos.

Badstuber is extremely underrated because sometimes he loses concentration, but is still an excellent defender. I would give a slight nod to Pepe, but as a partnership, Bad-Boa are better.

Alaba has been a revelation at fullback and has been in stunning form. Arbeloa has been unconvincing on the other hand so in my opinion Alaba obviously gets the nod.

Schweinsteiger in my honest opinion is the best CM in the world today, whereas Alonso is Top 5, but Schweini when healthy is better at everything.

Kroos is better all around than Khedira but Khedira is better at breaking up plays than Gustavo. So overall I give the edge to Madrid here becausewhile Kroos is the best of the 3, a Kroos-Schweini partnershipwould not work well defensively, Xabi-Khedira has the muscle that Bayern would lack without Gustavo.

Ribery and Ronaldo are on the same level, and I say theyre even. Ob a normal game against crappy La Liga lower table opposition, of course anyone would takeRonaldo over Ribery, but in big games like this, where Ronaldo usually disappears and Ribery usually thrives, id say theyre even. Even against regular everyday teams, id say theyre equal. They just serve different roles. Riberys job is to score a few and assist a shitload, Ronaldos job is to score a shitload and assist a few. So Ronaldo gets more credit cuz of goalscoring, but thats not Riberys job.

Robben is on a whole nother level from Di Maria, better at EVERYTHING. Not even close.

Muller and Ozil, I give the slight nod to Ozil, but again they have different roles. Mullers job is to get some assists but also be a goal threat, whereas Ozil is a pure creative force, similar to what Kroos does for Bayern. So Ozil gets the slight nod, but Muller should not be underrated here.

Gomez is better than Benzema at everything except for dribbling. These are the guys that are relied on for goals, and Gomez is the highest scoring CF in the world right now. When it comes to build up play and putting the ball in the back of the net, anyway or how, Gomez is the man you would want.

So overall, I give the nod to Bayern both individually and as a team, and while Real does have a stronger bench, Bayern are overall the stronger team in my opinion and will come out victorious.

And while Mourinho is the 2nd best coach in thr world with tactics (only after Jogi Lowe in my opinion) and 1rst with mind games, Heynkes is a very good coach who should not be underestimated and Mourinho should take caution. Still, a convincing Bayern win at home and a good draw at the Bernabeu and I see Bayern Munich going through (and also winning the CL final).
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:39 pm

TBH I think Madrid will win on away goals or in a penalty shootout, something like that.

But if Bayern go through, at home, the Allianz, I'd say they'd probably even beat Barca over only one leg with home advantage. Bayern are f*cking ridiculous at home, beastly, even.
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Post by Lord Hades Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:06 pm

juve101 i think you havent tuned into europe in recent seasons maybe because juve werent relevant or something, but cr7 has been a great big game player for both madrid and united on the whole..
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Post by juventus101 Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:25 pm

He gets shut down by Alves every time he plays against Barca. He has only scored against Barca with Penalty Kicks hasnt he?
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Post by Lord Hades Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:40 pm

juventus101 wrote:He gets shut down by Alves every time he plays against Barca. He has only scored against Barca with Penalty Kicks hasnt he?

did you watch the last 2 clasicos? i guess not
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Post by juventus101 Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:09 pm

Oh yea he scored one in the 2nd to last classico. So he had one open play goal in what, 10 classicos? I have watched every classico since 08-09, and Ronaldo has been shut down by Alves pretty much every time.
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