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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:00 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:So where could this chump go? what team would take him?

I think he's still got two years left on his contract and no one is going to take him on his Chelsea wages after his Chelsea performances, so if he leaves, Chelsea are probably going to have to pay him a chunk of money to take a wage cut at his new club. He's 30 now, too.

But if there's going to be a transfer, it has either Atletico Madrid or Italy written all over it. If Atletico sell Costa - and especially if Chelsea are interested in the player - Torres going back there would be a no-brainer. Or if the finances can be sorted out, I could easily see Torres in Serie A, with Benitez's Napoli the obvious destination, but perhaps one of the other bigger clubs, too.

But what ever the deal is going to be - if there is one coming - I think there's going to be a player moving to Chelsea as part of it.

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Post by farfan Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:06 pm

higuain in , torres + demba ba + money out ?
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Post by Robespierre Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:09 pm

As I wrote yesterday in another topic

Robespierre wrote:Fernando Torres reminds me  those basketball players  of Space Jam movie,  who were robbed of their talents and essentially become zombies. Merciless end.

there is no other explication , this is what must have happened.
I am praying we won't sign him next year, because there is this real possibility
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Post by farfan Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:12 pm

Robespierre wrote:As I wrote yesterday in another topic

Robespierre wrote:Fernando Torres reminds me  those basketball players  of Space Jam movie,  who were robbed of their talents and essentially become zombies. Merciless end.

there is no other explication , this is what must have happened.
I am praying we won't sign him next year, because there is this real possibility

you're better off with demba ba , really.

cheaper, younger, and not worse.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:14 pm

Art Morte wrote:
EarlyPrototype wrote:So where could this chump go? what team would take him?

I think he's still got two years left on his contract and no one is going to take him on his Chelsea wages after his Chelsea performances, so if he leaves, Chelsea are probably going to have to pay him a chunk of money to take a wage cut at his new club. He's 30 now, too.

But if there's going to be a transfer, it has either Atletico Madrid or Italy written all over it. If Atletico sell Costa - and especially if Chelsea are interested in the player - Torres going back there would be a no-brainer. Or if the finances can be sorted out, I could easily see Torres in Serie A, with Benitez's Napoli the obvious destination, but perhaps one of the other bigger clubs, too.

But what ever the deal is going to be - if there is one coming - I think there's going to be a player moving to Chelsea as part of it.

Chelsea won't need to pay Torres anything to take a wage cut. He will simply have to take a cut himself from his potential suitors. There is no way he would want to stay at Chelsea after Mourinho's comments no matter what he is being paid.
It would be a damn shame if Atletico replace Costa with Torres. Massive step down. I can see him moving to Italy though.
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Post by Robespierre Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:14 pm

McAgger wrote:
Donuts wrote:lol?
best ST my ass

Prime Henry / R9 / Ibrahimovic all over him, and this is just the last decade.

Do you know how to read?

When Torres was in his prime, Henry was past it, R9 was past it.

Ibra was there but back at Inter he would go hiding big time in huge CL matches. And when Liverpool and Inter met in the CL, Torres outplayed Ibra in both legs.

yes McAgger agreed.

Torres scored an amazing goal to Milano ( and I was there) , while Ibrahimovic missed  1 easy goals in 1st half who would have let opened the qualification, typical mistake of old Ibra in Europe

And infact I remember in Inter forums many ppl would have changed Ibrahimovic with Torres at the time and  even after Manchester - Inter ( the real confirmation of his problem  , he was even worse to Old Trafford) " We need to change Ibrahimovic with another Top CF if we want to win the CL "  .  

And  Fernando Torres was the name more hoped. then Eto'o and Villa.

(Milito was enough,anyway.)


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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:18 pm

farfan wrote:higuain in , torres + demba ba + money out ?

The thing with Napoli is, though, that Benitez won't be happy to sell his star man to Mourinho  tongue 

But yeah, it wouldn't be a surprise if Chelsea went after either Costa or Higuain and offered Torres as a makeweight. Although both of these players are contracted all the way until 2018, so their clubs might be very reluctant to sell.
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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:20 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:
Art Morte wrote:
EarlyPrototype wrote:So where could this chump go? what team would take him?

I think he's still got two years left on his contract and no one is going to take him on his Chelsea wages after his Chelsea performances, so if he leaves, Chelsea are probably going to have to pay him a chunk of money to take a wage cut at his new club. He's 30 now, too.

But if there's going to be a transfer, it has either Atletico Madrid or Italy written all over it. If Atletico sell Costa - and especially if Chelsea are interested in the player - Torres going back there would be a no-brainer. Or if the finances can be sorted out, I could easily see Torres in Serie A, with Benitez's Napoli the obvious destination, but perhaps one of the other bigger clubs, too.

But what ever the deal is going to be - if there is one coming - I think there's going to be a player moving to Chelsea as part of it.

Chelsea won't need to pay Torres anything to take a wage cut. He will simply have to take a cut himself from his potential suitors. There is no way he would want to stay at Chelsea after Mourinho's comments no matter what he is being paid.
It would be a damn shame if Atletico replace Costa with Torres. Massive step down. I can see him moving to Italy though.

Let's not underestimate the power of money. Players who take wage cuts willingly in order to play more - especially in their twilight years - are very, very few and far between.
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Post by LeBéninois Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:53 pm

While watching the game with some friends i said '' It's incredible how torres is useless nowdays '' and they kept giggling for about 2 min non stop.  Laughing 
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Post by futbol Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:44 pm

Art Morte wrote:

But if there's going to be a transfer, it has either Atletico Madrid or Italy written all over it. If Atletico sell Costa - and especially if Chelsea are interested in the player - Torres going back there would be a no-brainer.

Does Simeone look like a bitch?

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Post by Shed Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:47 pm

Bénin wrote:While watching the game with some friends i said '' It's incredible how torres is useless nowdays '' and they kept giggling for about 2 min non stop. Laughing 


Your friends are easily pleased Wink

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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:25 pm

Fußball wrote:
Art Morte wrote:

But if there's going to be a transfer, it has either Atletico Madrid or Italy written all over it. If Atletico sell Costa - and especially if Chelsea are interested in the player - Torres going back there would be a no-brainer.

Does Simeone look like a bitch?

You mean would he bend over and take it up the canal just like that? Money talks in football and Chelsea have got lots of it.
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Post by BeautifulGame Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:31 pm

Art Morte wrote:
Fußball wrote:
Art Morte wrote:

But if there's going to be a transfer, it has either Atletico Madrid or Italy written all over it. If Atletico sell Costa - and especially if Chelsea are interested in the player - Torres going back there would be a no-brainer.

Does Simeone look like a bitch?

You mean would he bend over and take it up the canal just like that? Money talks in football and Chelsea have got lots of it.

AM might take money but why would they take a liability like Torres?
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Post by futbol Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:46 pm

Art Morte wrote:
Fußball wrote:
Art Morte wrote:

But if there's going to be a transfer, it has either Atletico Madrid or Italy written all over it. If Atletico sell Costa - and especially if Chelsea are interested in the player - Torres going back there would be a no-brainer.

Does Simeone look like a bitch?

You mean would he bend over and take it up the canal just like that? Money talks in football and Chelsea have got lots of it.

Chelsea can buy out Costa. It will only cost them about € 60 million including taxes if Atleti don't want to sell. However my question was more related to Torres. Why would they take him?

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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:59 pm

go burn in hell don't scorres

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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:35 pm

Fußball wrote:
Art Morte wrote:
Fußball wrote:

Does Simeone look like a bitch?

You mean would he bend over and take it up the canal just like that? Money talks in football and Chelsea have got lots of it.

Chelsea can buy out Costa. It will only cost them about € 60 million including taxes if Atleti don't want to sell. However my question was more related to Torres. Why would they take him?

Because he spent six years there, that would soften the blow (among the fans). The sentimental factor of him going back home and the hope he can find form again there. Also it would be, well, not a free acquisition as Atletico could ask for more money from Chelsea if Torres wasn't involved in the deal, but Atletico would get the player without having to find any cash of their own.
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Post by futbol Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:52 pm

Which leads me back to the question whether you believe Simeone is a clueless idiot. Torres might be still well liked in Madrid but sentiments won't make him score 30+ goals like Falcao and Costa all of a sudden. Sporting-wise it would be like putting Di Stefano into the Real Madrid starting lineup now.

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Post by Doc Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:55 pm

Assuming Atletico want a striker who has confidence and actual footballing issues, major issues actually. Mind you, he never clocked more than 20 goals in his pump when in La Liga. Anyway, a hypothetical transfer for Costa with Torres going the other way might soften the financial blow but I fail to see how Torres would do any better at Atletico than he is doing now.
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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:03 pm

Fußball wrote:Which leads me back to the question whether you believe Simeone is a clueless idiot. Torres might be still well liked in Madrid but sentiments won't make him score 30+ goals like Falcao and Costa all of a sudden. Sporting-wise it would be like putting Di Stefano into the Real Madrid starting lineup now.

Torres isn't doing well, but he's not become totally hopeless, either. If Costa joins Chelsea and Atletico can take Torres + cash, I don't see why wouldn't they. They've got Costa, Villa and Lopez in the striker department now. I don't think it would be stupid to have Torres, Villa, Lopez and then another forward bought with the money included in the Costa - Torres swap deal. Furthermore, Chelsea might insist that Torres is included in the deal and valued at certain price, because they'll have no use for him and will have hard time finding suitors for him, so the deal might not happen at all if Atletico insist on only cash - which wouldn't be bad for Atletico, but if they receive a good Torres + cash offer and the player wants to leave, they'll have pressure to accept that Torres is included.
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Post by Robespierre Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:04 pm

Higuain won't leave Napoli after a year
Anyway he is coming in Italy imo this summer ... we are the club more interested in him Laughing Laughing
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Post by Blue Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:06 am

Fußball wrote:
Art Morte wrote:
Fußball wrote:

Does Simeone look like a bitch?

You mean would he bend over and take it up the canal just like that? Money talks in football and Chelsea have got lots of it.

Chelsea can buy out Costa. It will only cost them about € 60 million including taxes if Atleti don't want to sell. However my question was more related to Torres. Why would they take him?
It would be a dick move by Alti to force taxes on the sale, given that we have loaned Courtois for the last 3 years to them and possibly a 4th year.

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Post by Doc Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:13 am

If you pay the release clause, you're gonna have to do it anyway. I reckon it's the law.
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Post by Red Alert Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:29 am

Was Mata forced out of the club to help get rid of Torres? Fernando only really got along well with Juan after all. hmm
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Post by Art Morte Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:42 am

I would kind of like it if Torres just refused to leave. Mourinho, surprisingly, isn't being very classy when he's publicly saying that his strikers are useless, not "real" strikers. Obviously wanting nothing more than throw them out at the first possible opportunity. I'd be delighted if Torres' answer to that was "well, fk you, too, I'm not leaving, play me in the reserves if you wish, but I'm staying".

Probably not going to happen, though.
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Post by teamanarchy Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:09 am

I feel like Atletico is exactly the place where he can revitalize his career...
Aside from it being his hometown/boyhood club and aside from the adoration of the fans...
Look at Atletico's ability to yield the VERY best out of their strikers in recent years.
Last season, Costa was an average player (excuse the frankness, but he wasn't half the player he is now)
Before him, they had Falcao (who admittedly was already amazing, but still never quite as good as he was at Atleti)
Before Falcao, Diego Forlan (who was a nobody former Man Utd flop and was transformed to the best striker in the world).
Aaand, before him was Torres himself...

There's something in the water at the Calderon that just makes front men perform amazingly...
Well that and, IMHO, one of the best managers in Europe today (even though he had nothing to do with Forlan)
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Post by farfan Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:26 pm

teamanarchy wrote:I feel like Atletico is exactly the place where he can revitalize his career...
Aside from it being his hometown/boyhood club and aside from the adoration of the fans...
Look at Atletico's ability to yield the VERY best out of their strikers in recent years.
Last season, Costa was an average player (excuse the frankness, but he wasn't half the player he is now)
Before him, they had Falcao (who admittedly was already amazing, but still never quite as good as he was at Atleti)
Before Falcao, Diego Forlan (who was a nobody former Man Utd flop and was transformed to the best striker in the world).
Aaand, before him was Torres himself...

There's something in the water at the Calderon that just makes front men perform amazingly...
Well that and, IMHO, one of the best managers in Europe today (even though he had nothing to do with Forlan)

not sure about any of that really.

diego costa was " average " last year because he wasn't the main striker at the team . he played around falcao and sometimes started on the wing.

falcao's ratio was better at porto . that's where he broke the record of goals scored in a european season.

diego forlan already exploded with villareal and won the pichichi with them in 2004-2005. why are you giving credit to atletico for rejuvenating his career?
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