Re: LIVE - JUVE - BOLOGNA - Conte launches 4-3-3 Vucinic-Borriello-Pepe

by inderbaby Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:38 pm

Hehehe this isn't a bad result, this bologna team played very well! They would have spanked a team like inter or Napoli playing like this! :shisha:

by juverpool Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:40 pm

inderbaby wrote:Hehehe this isn't a bad result, this bologna team played very well! They would have spanked a team like inter or Napoli playing like this! :shisha:

Point made... but we are Juventus...

by inderbaby Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:42 pm

Too many bit*h whinners here! Conte has forged the best defence in serie a! The attack will improve next season with class players but Atleast this team has an identity and style!

by MMM Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:43 pm

I'm loosing trust in conte.He's mostly wrong in his player selections and usually doesn't make any change since 75th min and even then usually crazy subs... hopefuly we wont endup in 7th place again since inter has accupied that position.

by baresi Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:43 pm

Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?

by dronte Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:44 pm

baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?

Yes. I'm not even sure if you were serious here.

by Juveman17 Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:44 pm

I cannot believe this. Juventus has lost its way. No ADP still? Borrielo sucks. Vucininc is lazy. Elia should have been subed, quag should have started with ADP coming on. And now were screwed we have to play 442 with padion/ vidal. I can't believe im saying this but conte needs to improve. At this pint, im fed up with conte. Not playing ADP is one thing but benching elia? and playing borrielo? im done

by juverpool Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:45 pm

Juventude wrote:
juverpool wrote:Conte is making a history - have the most draws in a season...

Mate, you are still a 2nd or 3rd tier coach... no ability to develop players and change game dynamics...

Looks like we are back to square one again... 5 draws in the last 6 games...

Imagine if Elia was at Arsenal... He'd be fully utilized and developed... Conte keeps saying Elia can't fit into the Italian football... More likely is that Conte dones't know how to maximize his players...

I couldn't have said it better myself.

That's a good way to look at it. Would other managers in different leagues be able to get something out of players like Elia and Krasic? I think so.

Conte is ridiculous. He's only consistently played one non- Italian or Serie A veteran this season and that's Vidal.

To be honest, I don't know if I trust Conte as the manager if Juve wants to make a world class purchase of players like Aguero or Higuain. I'm not convinced that Conte would know what to do with the player or that he could integrate that player into his team.

Capello anyone?

No, I don't trust him... I know a lot people on here have said "Master Conte" or something like that... Like I said before, I appreciate for the things he's done... But he's a mental coach, not a tactical coach...

Think about how Mourinho used Eto'o at Inter... And think again how Conte would use Eto'o... Chances are Eto'o will end up running 10km on the pitch every game... Instead of creating 3 chances every game like he did at Inter under Mourinho..

by MMM Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:48 pm

juverpool wrote:
Juventude wrote:
juverpool wrote:Conte is making a history - have the most draws in a season...

Mate, you are still a 2nd or 3rd tier coach... no ability to develop players and change game dynamics...

Looks like we are back to square one again... 5 draws in the last 6 games...

Imagine if Elia was at Arsenal... He'd be fully utilized and developed... Conte keeps saying Elia can't fit into the Italian football... More likely is that Conte dones't know how to maximize his players...

I couldn't have said it better myself.

That's a good way to look at it. Would other managers in different leagues be able to get something out of players like Elia and Krasic? I think so.

Conte is ridiculous. He's only consistently played one non- Italian or Serie A veteran this season and that's Vidal.

To be honest, I don't know if I trust Conte as the manager if Juve wants to make a world class purchase of players like Aguero or Higuain. I'm not convinced that Conte would know what to do with the player or that he could integrate that player into his team.

Capello anyone?

No, I don't trust him... I know a lot people on here have said "Master Conte" or something like that... Like I said before, I appreciate for the things he's done... But he's a mental coach, not a tactical coach...

Think about how Mourinho used Eto'o at Inter... And think again how Conte would use Eto'o... Chances are Eto'o will end up running 10km on the pitch every game... Instead of creating 3 chances every game like he did at Inter under Mourinho..

And that's why vucinic doesn't shine either...

by CroInter Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:50 pm

dronte wrote:
CroInter wrote:
dronte wrote:
CroInter wrote:
dronte wrote:100% clear penalty, and not given. How surprising.

Really? I suposed you didnt see him tugging his shirt too? No you didnt, you only saw what you wanted to see.

Or did you see 10 sec before Juve goal, they took free kick about 5m+ off the spot where was the fk in a hurry which resulted in Juve goal.

Or did you see 2nd yellow on Bonucci for foul on Ramirez not given?

Or maybe offside by Marchisio when he missed a sitter, ref didnt give it.

And that is just from last 30min.

Here Bonucci now got red, should have gotten it 15 min ago.

But ofc Juve will cry about refs as always.
You are a fckin pathetic retard. Not even trying because you are blind.

You mad bro? Sounds like ur mad.

Anyways, truth makes you mad, thats bad mkay.

Everything i said was true, if you wanna argue, plz do, counter me, tell me whats wrong my brother.
Now that the match is over and not that annoyed because of Bonucci and Conte's decisions I'll reply. Yep I was really mad because Boriello played 80 mins and noone could tell me why, Bonucci didn't surprise me either.
Seriously after all these draws only one thing that keeps me happy which is to see Inter suffering now that Calciopoli's favors are over. Seriously, you come here to comment when noone cares about your opinion, watch your beautiful Inter losing every one of their matches. If you seriously thought I was mad because of your nonsense post then you are sillier than I thought.

Anyways, my reply.
PDC tried to get away from the defender's hug, he was pulling his shirt apart, and obviously that's a straight yellow and free kick, a penalty in that case.
No I didn't see that it was taken a bit away from the spot. Your point? Surely that made us score a goal, obviously. Your idiotism appears once again. Sigh.
There was contact bw Bonucci and Ramirez but I kinda felt it a blatant dive, he was really really looking for it.
Yes, Marchisio's sitter was offside.
Bonucci's red was totally deserved, he is such a retard as always.

PS: really waiting for someone who will ban you from here because of your constant trolling. But of course that's allowed here. Whatever. You are always wasting my time because you are badly in need of normal views.

Hug? What hug, i only saw mutual tuggin, anyways we will see in next days what experts say.

No one cares what i write? You sure do, no?

Fk has to be taken in 2m of the spot where fk was made, Juve didnt do that, ref should have put the ball back.

On Bonucci, 15min before red he should have gotten 2nd yellow for clear foul on Ramirez, he just went in his body, no intention at all to get the ball....

Me trolling? How come? If i dont agree with you im trolling? I came here all decent wanting to debate and you calling me retard and whatnot for no good reason.

And thats one big ass post for someone who clearly doenst care what i write.

Ur happy Inter is losing? Being happy for others missforture is bad, mkay.

by baresi Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:51 pm

dronte wrote:
baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?
Yes. I'm not even sure if you were serious here.

very serious. Its been six years now, and its not that I am seeing you guys improve, same thing for 4 seasons and this is the 5th, strong stat and then chocking, some will say best defense and we just have to improve the attack, last 3 seasons you had a decent attack and only needed to improve the defense etc....

by inderbaby Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:54 pm

Why do people on here even reply to trolls or read their nonsense, ignore them and they will soon feck off :shisha:

by dronte Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:18 pm

Let's look at the bright side: Vucinic's finish just shows how much potential he has.. And I think he was pretty good today, even before the goal.

by inderbaby Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:24 pm

Vucinic is BOOM! Problem is we seemed to be fatigued and we defo missed Pepe's pressing to help out Vidal! Matri was being rested for the weekend but I think if we had our normal back pairing then we would have dominated the game more :shisha:

by dronte Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:35 pm

Yep, the team looks tired, I knew this would come as our tactics is based on pressure and nonstop running, the guys are tired now in the final third.
Maybe if Conte rotated the team a bit more.. Not sure.
I think it's obvious we could have won that with the normal CB pairing, but that's life.
But Boriello.. seriously can't understand what he is doing here. Starting him over Quags or Matri, even if they are out of form.. weird.

by turmoil Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:39 pm

baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?

i resume that you are ar milan fan, so you remember totonero 1980.
for those who wasn't born. Milan was sent to serie B because of a betting scandal as was Lazio. Lazio stayed in serie B for 3 seasons, Milan easily won the Serie B, and returned to Serie A, where it would suffer its worst season ever, in 1981/1982, being relegated once again. Juve did not do that.

in 1986 a guy called Berlusconi Bought Milan and they started to win again in the season 1987/1988. I know that Lazio is not a big team, but it is hard work to get back. Juve will do it, if not this year then soon.

by Luca Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:46 pm

baresi wrote:
dronte wrote:
baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?
Yes. I'm not even sure if you were serious here.
very serious. Its been six years now, and its not that I am seeing you guys improve, same thing for 4 seasons and this is the 5th, strong stat and then chocking, some will say best defense and we just have to improve the attack, last 3 seasons you had a decent attack and only needed to improve the defense etc....

Its simple, its not just calciopoli. It is mismanagement.
We are talking about a team that had players like Cannavaro, Thuram, Nedved, Buffon, Ibrahimovic, Del Piero, Trezeguet, Camoranesi etc.

Of the line up today, who would fit into Juventus 6 years ago, assuming all these players were at that level then and the players now are the players now.

None of the forwards would, Pepe would not, the midfield would (at least 2 of Marchisio, Vidal, Pirlo). Lichtsteiner maybe.

There isn't much quality up front, no one to give that extra something. Pepe cannot cross or challenge a defender. Vucinic is streaky. Boriello has to drop too deep to receive the ball.

Simply, the transfers in, during the last 6 years have not matched what Juventus has tried to achieve. Poulsen, Grygera, Almiron, Tiago, Motta, Pepe... off the top of my head.

by baresi Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:49 pm

Luca wrote:
baresi wrote:
dronte wrote:
baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?
Yes. I'm not even sure if you were serious here.
very serious. Its been six years now, and its not that I am seeing you guys improve, same thing for 4 seasons and this is the 5th, strong stat and then chocking, some will say best defense and we just have to improve the attack, last 3 seasons you had a decent attack and only needed to improve the defense etc....

Its simple, its not just calciopoli. It is mismanagement.
We are talking about a team that had players like Cannavaro, Thuram, Nedved, Buffon, Ibrahimovic, Del Piero, Trezeguet, Camoranesi etc.

Of the line up today, who would fit into Juventus 6 years ago, assuming all these players were at that level then and the players now are the players now.

None of the forwards would, Pepe would not, the midfield would (at least 2 of Marchisio, Vidal, Pirlo). Lichtsteiner maybe.

There isn't much quality up front, no one to give that extra something. Pepe cannot cross or challenge a defender. Vucinic is streaky. Boriello has to drop too deep to receive the ball.

Simply, the transfers in, during the last 6 years have not matched what Juventus has tried to achieve. Poulsen, Grygera, Almiron, Tiago, Motta, Pepe... off the top of my head.

thats right, cause it doesn't take a "big team" 6 years to re-build.

by DeviAngel Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:04 pm

first time happy with a draw conte proved that the team is not down

by baresi Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:08 pm

turmoil wrote:
baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?

i resume that you are ar milan fan, so you remember totonero 1980.
for those who wasn't born. Milan was sent to serie B because of a betting scandal as was Lazio. Lazio stayed in serie B for 3 seasons, Milan easily won the Serie B, and returned to Serie A, where it would suffer its worst season ever, in 1981/1982, being relegated once again. Juve did not do that.

in 1986 a guy called Berlusconi Bought Milan and they started to win again in the season 1987/1988. I know that Lazio is not a big team, but it is hard work to get back. Juve will do it, if not this year then soon.

My friend you are confused, Milan moved on a steady pace while rebuilding, improving by the year, the core of the Sacchis team was built before Berlusconi take over, mainly from home grown players. Only WC players were brought to the club later.

What I see in this Juve era is just knee jerk reactions from the managements and avg to above avg players being introduced to the club, those players won't satisfy the coming coach for Juve and he will have to start from scratch again, one season you finish 2nd, then 7th, then 5th and so on...

Seriously, Matri, Vucinic, Bo, even Quag are squad players at best, same for Chigarini, Estiga, and this current Pirlo.

by DeviAngel Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:10 pm

current Pirlo squad player ?

now that is reaction because left and I know deep inside u know it

by baresi Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:17 pm

DeviAngel wrote:current Pirlo squad player ?

now that is reaction because left and I know deep inside u know it

There is a reason we didn't renew his contract, how has he been in your last three games? wait till things get tougher for him.

by DeviAngel Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:19 pm

baresi wrote:
DeviAngel wrote:current Pirlo squad player ?

now that is reaction because left and I know deep inside u know it
There is a reason we didn't renew his contract, how has he been in your last three games? wait till things get tougher for him.

In the last three games he was amazing Vidal was missed to much the last game.

Pirlo didn't stay because he was not fitting in your tactics and ur system thats the only reason even Allegri confirmed it

by baresi Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:27 pm

DeviAngel wrote:
baresi wrote:
DeviAngel wrote:current Pirlo squad player ?

now that is reaction because left and I know deep inside u know it
There is a reason we didn't renew his contract, how has he been in your last three games? wait till things get tougher for him.

In the last three games he was amazing Vidal was missed to much the last game.

Pirlo didn't stay because he was not fitting in your tactics and ur system thats the only reason even Allegri confirmed it

Ok we already discussed this many times before, I still stand by what I said, end of season we discuss it again.

by turmoil Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:50 pm

baresi wrote:
turmoil wrote:
baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?

i resume that you are ar milan fan, so you remember totonero 1980.
for those who wasn't born. Milan was sent to serie B because of a betting scandal as was Lazio. Lazio stayed in serie B for 3 seasons, Milan easily won the Serie B, and returned to Serie A, where it would suffer its worst season ever, in 1981/1982, being relegated once again. Juve did not do that.

in 1986 a guy called Berlusconi Bought Milan and they started to win again in the season 1987/1988. I know that Lazio is not a big team, but it is hard work to get back. Juve will do it, if not this year then soon.
My friend you are confused, Milan moved on a steady pace while rebuilding, improving by the year, the core of the Sacchis team was built before Berlusconi take over, mainly from home grown players. Only WC players were brought to the club later.

What I see in this Juve era is just knee jerk reactions from the managements and avg to above avg players being introduced to the club, those players won't satisfy the coming coach for Juve and he will have to start from scratch again, one season you finish 2nd, then 7th, then 5th and so on...

Seriously, Matri, Vucinic, Bo, even Quag are squad players at best, same for Chigarini, Estiga, and this current Pirlo.

that is not true, players like ,C. Ancelotti, M. van Basten, R. Gullit, Angelo Colombo came in 1987
G. Galli, D. Massaro, R. Donadoni came in 1986
sure some players like Maldini and F. Galli came up.

by baresi Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:01 pm

turmoil wrote:
baresi wrote:
turmoil wrote:
baresi wrote:Juve fans keep mentioning calciopoli and Inter's success due to calciopoli, I don't see Juve doing wonders now after 6 years. Does it take that long for a "big team" to recover, or is it that Juve can't perform without calciopoli?

i resume that you are ar milan fan, so you remember totonero 1980.
for those who wasn't born. Milan was sent to serie B because of a betting scandal as was Lazio. Lazio stayed in serie B for 3 seasons, Milan easily won the Serie B, and returned to Serie A, where it would suffer its worst season ever, in 1981/1982, being relegated once again. Juve did not do that.

in 1986 a guy called Berlusconi Bought Milan and they started to win again in the season 1987/1988. I know that Lazio is not a big team, but it is hard work to get back. Juve will do it, if not this year then soon.
My friend you are confused, Milan moved on a steady pace while rebuilding, improving by the year, the core of the Sacchis team was built before Berlusconi take over, mainly from home grown players. Only WC players were brought to the club later.

What I see in this Juve era is just knee jerk reactions from the managements and avg to above avg players being introduced to the club, those players won't satisfy the coming coach for Juve and he will have to start from scratch again, one season you finish 2nd, then 7th, then 5th and so on...

Seriously, Matri, Vucinic, Bo, even Quag are squad players at best, same for Chigarini, Estiga, and this current Pirlo.

that is not true, players like ,C. Ancelotti, M. van Basten, R. Gullit, Angelo Colombo came in 1987
G. Galli, D. Massaro, R. Donadoni came in 1986
sure some players like Maldini and F. Galli came up.

still same thing, my point still stands, ONLY WC players where bought, and MANY home grown,Tassotti, Donadoni, Costacorta, Galli, Massaro all came before Belusconi.

Plus that was the best years of Italian football, not the worst years and yet Juve find it tough to stand on their feet again.

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