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Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Well I rate those talent.
Right now, none of them are at the level of Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, R9, Carlos and on and on. I dont think any with reach that level either, but I do believe Ganso, Neymar, Alex Sandro, Danilo and maybe 3 or 4 others have the chance to be say, top 3 in their position.
Yes, David Luiz has not been good. His mistakes are too many, but there is nothing wrong talent wise. He reminds me of Lucio, perhaps when he gets to 27, 28, 29 he will actually be great.
Disagree about Luisao..if guys like Mertersacker can make it in the PL, then Luisao certaintly can.
Right now, none of them are at the level of Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, R9, Carlos and on and on. I dont think any with reach that level either, but I do believe Ganso, Neymar, Alex Sandro, Danilo and maybe 3 or 4 others have the chance to be say, top 3 in their position.
Yes, David Luiz has not been good. His mistakes are too many, but there is nothing wrong talent wise. He reminds me of Lucio, perhaps when he gets to 27, 28, 29 he will actually be great.
Disagree about Luisao..if guys like Mertersacker can make it in the PL, then Luisao certaintly can.
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
you dont think Marcelo is at the same level as RC?i think he is imo,at least at the same age
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
No chance.
Roberto Carlos wasnt a great defender, but in his prime he rarely get raped by anyone who wasnt elite. Marcelo had trouble with nobodies sometimes.
Marcelo has a better rightfoot and has tricks, but Roberto Carlos is much more dangerous because he was 99% of the time the fastest man of the pitch. He used to run in behind defences with that speed and was often the furthest man up the pitch because of that speed. If you come and pressed with a high line, he would destroy it by running in behind. He literally forced teams to defend deeper...dont think any fullback could do that.
Also he is a better crosser (not that Marcelo is a bad one) and shooter (again, Marcelo isnt a bad one).
Apart from tricking someone 1 v 1 with a skill (Carlos could just run right around them) and a right foot I dont see Marcelo with anything like the impact Carlos could bring.
Marcelo while young, is more or less in his prime. Going forward, he isnt going to get better.
Roberto Carlos wasnt a great defender, but in his prime he rarely get raped by anyone who wasnt elite. Marcelo had trouble with nobodies sometimes.
Marcelo has a better rightfoot and has tricks, but Roberto Carlos is much more dangerous because he was 99% of the time the fastest man of the pitch. He used to run in behind defences with that speed and was often the furthest man up the pitch because of that speed. If you come and pressed with a high line, he would destroy it by running in behind. He literally forced teams to defend deeper...dont think any fullback could do that.
Also he is a better crosser (not that Marcelo is a bad one) and shooter (again, Marcelo isnt a bad one).
Apart from tricking someone 1 v 1 with a skill (Carlos could just run right around them) and a right foot I dont see Marcelo with anything like the impact Carlos could bring.
Marcelo while young, is more or less in his prime. Going forward, he isnt going to get better.
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
The Franchise wrote:No chance.
Roberto Carlos wasnt a great defender, but in his prime he rarely get raped by anyone who wasnt elite. Marcelo had trouble with nobodies sometimes.
Marcelo has a better rightfoot and has tricks, but Roberto Carlos is much more dangerous because he was 99% of the time the fastest man of the pitch. He used to run in behind defences with that speed and was often the furthest man up the pitch because of that speed. If you come and pressed with a high line, he would destroy it by running in behind. He literally forced teams to defend deeper...dont think any fullback could do that.
Also he is a better crosser (not that Marcelo is a bad one) and shooter (again, Marcelo isnt a bad one).
Apart from tricking someone 1 v 1 with a skill (Carlos could just run right around them) and a right foot I dont see Marcelo with anything like the impact Carlos could bring.
Marcelo while young, is more or less in his prime. Going forward, he isnt going to get better.
Does he need to get better going forward ?
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Yes...thats the point im making......good lord.
Seriously?
Seriously?
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
The Franchise wrote:Well I rate those talent.
Right now, none of them are at the level of Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, R9, Carlos and on and on. I dont think any with reach that level either, but I do believe Ganso, Neymar, Alex Sandro, Danilo and maybe 3 or 4 others have the chance to be say, top 3 in their position.
Yes, David Luiz has not been good. His mistakes are too many, but there is nothing wrong talent wise. He reminds me of Lucio, perhaps when he gets to 27, 28, 29 he will actually be great.
Disagree about Luisao..if guys like Mertersacker can make it in the PL, then Luisao certaintly can.
Again, you are agreeing with me, maybe guys like Neymar or Danilo will be top 3 in their position (Ganso no way), but that's not what Brasil used to be: they had several best player's at their position in the team.
David Luiz has to improve, and well, Luisao could make it at the premier League off course, but not really at the top, like Mertesacker, who is not really making it at the top (semiflopping).
Ganso wrote:you dont think Marcelo is at the same level as RC?i think he is imo,at least at the same age
Marcelo is not a youngster anymore, he will be 24 in a few months. I don't think he will improve much and while he is great going forward, he just sucks defensively. Every RW in la liga has left him seated in the floor crying at least once. (exxagerating, but really, he is not very good defenisvely).
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
free_cat wrote:The Franchise wrote:Well I rate those talent.
Right now, none of them are at the level of Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, R9, Carlos and on and on. I dont think any with reach that level either, but I do believe Ganso, Neymar, Alex Sandro, Danilo and maybe 3 or 4 others have the chance to be say, top 3 in their position.
Yes, David Luiz has not been good. His mistakes are too many, but there is nothing wrong talent wise. He reminds me of Lucio, perhaps when he gets to 27, 28, 29 he will actually be great.
Disagree about Luisao..if guys like Mertersacker can make it in the PL, then Luisao certaintly can.
Again, you are agreeing with me, maybe guys like Neymar or Danilo will be top 3 in their position (Ganso no way), but that's not what Brasil used to be: they had several best player's at their position in the team.
David Luiz has to improve, and well, Luisao could make it at the premier League off course, but not really at the top, like Mertesacker, who is not really making it at the top (semiflopping).Ganso wrote:you dont think Marcelo is at the same level as RC?i think he is imo,at least at the same age
Marcelo is not a youngster anymore, he will be 24 in a few months. I don't think he will improve much and while he is great going forward, he just sucks defensively. Every RW in la liga has left him seated in the floor crying at least once. (exxagerating, but really, he is not very good defenisvely).
Yeah, I am agreeing with you overall.
Well, Luisao I like, I seen him in the CL and Europa League, so its not like its just him playing well in a poor Portuguese league. I dont know about Mertersacker semiflopping...I dont really rate him either, but I do think he is fairly important to Arsenal, they are better with him playing thats for sure.
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Brazil have good defenders apart from Silva like Dante,Andre Dias,Luisao but i'm not sure about their up and coming prospects though.
I read a lot of hype about Rhodolfo ,Mario Fernandes plus some other defender i think from Goias who was linked with Palermo i'm not sure.But we really dont know if they're quality yet.I am not taking a dig at the Brazilian League a better assessment of their quality would be if they played in the major leagues in Europe
There was another hyped player who transferred to Wolfsburg last summer(Rever) but i dont think he's been that great.
Plus David Luiz has been a massive dissapointment ever since transferring to Chelsea.Maybe under a coach like Mou he might come good.
They possess the talent in other departments ,but some of them are really young and not in their prime yet.
I read a lot of hype about Rhodolfo ,Mario Fernandes plus some other defender i think from Goias who was linked with Palermo i'm not sure.But we really dont know if they're quality yet.I am not taking a dig at the Brazilian League a better assessment of their quality would be if they played in the major leagues in Europe
There was another hyped player who transferred to Wolfsburg last summer(Rever) but i dont think he's been that great.
Plus David Luiz has been a massive dissapointment ever since transferring to Chelsea.Maybe under a coach like Mou he might come good.
They possess the talent in other departments ,but some of them are really young and not in their prime yet.
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Hey friends.. I'm from Brazil and I follow him closely.. he is not all that you think.. he is like Walcott, just have speed, ONLY this.
He plays for São Paulo, and my team is Santos.. every Santos x São Paulo I see Neymar and Ganso decide the game(finish with the game) and Lucas doesn't do anything..
Be careful with him
He plays for São Paulo, and my team is Santos.. every Santos x São Paulo I see Neymar and Ganso decide the game(finish with the game) and Lucas doesn't do anything..
Be careful with him
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Lucas is over hyped by Real Madrid fans, same way Neymar is over hyped by, although Thiago has more European experience so he has my vote.
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
VanderNeymar wrote:Hey friends.. I'm from Brazil and I follow him closely.. he is not all that you think.. he is like Walcott, just have speed, ONLY this.
He plays for São Paulo, and my team is Santos.. every Santos x São Paulo I see Neymar and Ganso decide the game(finish with the game) and Lucas doesn't do anything..
Be careful with him
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Lucas is the only Messi-like player in the world, he can reach Leo's level IMO. He will be a world-beater for sure.
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Kizu I very much doubt what you just said. I Messi at Lucas aged was already a top 3 player in the world, where as Lucas isn't even the best in his league...
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Messi was top3 player at 19, because there weren't good players at that time. There were only Kaka and Ronaldo. Now there are many good players. 19 years old Messi isn't better than Iniesta, Ozil, Ribery, Robben, Ibra, Xavi etc...harhar11 wrote:Kizu I very much doubt what you just said. I Messi at Lucas aged was already a top 3 player in the world, where as Lucas isn't even the best in his league...
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Brazilian defenders bad? lol..
Pepe is btw also a Brazilian defender
Pepe is btw also a Brazilian defender
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
if we are talking generally then brazilian defenders are bad
there will always be exceptions and an amount of defenders will obviously be good, even top class
you cant just name brazilian defenders like marcelo,TS,luis or even pepe and say brazilian defenders are good overall
what about the other 300 or so?
overall brazilian defenders in the brazilian league are "amateur" compared to the ones in top leagues in europe IMO
there will always be exceptions and an amount of defenders will obviously be good, even top class
you cant just name brazilian defenders like marcelo,TS,luis or even pepe and say brazilian defenders are good overall
what about the other 300 or so?
overall brazilian defenders in the brazilian league are "amateur" compared to the ones in top leagues in europe IMO
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
Kizu wrote:
Messi was top3 player at 19, because there weren't good players at that time. There were only Kaka and Ronaldo. Now there are many good players. 19 years old Messi isn't better than Iniesta, Ozil, Ribery, Robben, Ibra, Xavi etc...
There was only Kaka and Ronaldo you say? Have you forgotten that Drogba and Pirlo were both great that season(the 4th and 5th in ballon d'or that year)? Or that Gerrard was at this best.
And honestly if Özil today is better than what Messi was back then, its not by that much imo ofc.
If you have forgotten how good he was at the age of 19, here are some videos to refresh your memory..
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This video is from around that time..
When he was 20
I couldnt find a video of it but then there is also his performance against the best defence in the world back then a.k.a Chelsea. The only way that they could stop Messi was by doing this..
Admittedly I have not seen much of Lucas so I might not be the best to judge, but I honestly belive that he wont even come close to being as good as Messi is..
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Re: Thiago Alcantara vs Lucas Moura Rodrigues
funny how every tom,dick and harry are suddenly going to be as good as a player who before his prime is being placed in the company of the absolute greatest this beautiful game has had since it began. lol. seriously.
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