The 4-3-3 Idea

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2175/la-liga/2011/06/19/2538724/jose-mourinho-to-scrap-4-2-3-1-in-favour-of-4-3-3-real

So what do you think? Will this be our starting XI for next season?

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we have been taking about it for a while now, with yuri, babun, zealoius...

xabi and khedira...meh

not sure the khedira part works(unless playing against barca for example)

it's just a picture

-----------------Casillas--------------
-------------Pepe--Ramos------------
Coentrao------Alonso------Marcelo
----------Khedira-----Sahin----------
Ozil---------------------------Ronaldo
-------------------Kun--------------

If you buy a more useful player than kaka you can replace Khediara in the midfield and get more control, say..... Cazorla for example or Borja

Prolly a bad idea to go against Barca with that formation.

probably the best thing. more control and speed on the counter.

if we need pepe in the middle we will put him there, but if you play against barcelona without being ambituous about controlling the ball you will get "40 pds of whoop ass" lol

banega would be perfect

It all depends on the team... if we can get away with playing two mids and an extra attacker, we'll go that way. Otherwise, you will see the 4-3-3 methinks. I wouldn't be surprised if it was exclusively 4-3-3 on the road.

Ganso wrote:banega would be perfect

i would have loved that transfer dude, i mentioned it many times when we were debating this.

Kaka cant play in a 3 man midfield sadly, one of the reasons i'm always championing for a better replacement, more versatile and useful to our systems player.

I don't believe Mourinho will ditch Di Maria in any new formation, every time he played the 4-3-3 in tough matches last season, Di Maria always played the full 90 minutes. He would be part of the front three, as long as he continues to deliver when called upon.

The contested roles in the team are the CF position and the central midfield positions, Mourinho will no doubt want at least one destroyer in the midfield and this is likely to be either Khedira or Lass(if he stays). That would mean Ozil, Sahin, Kaka and Alonso will compete for the two creative slots. Ronaldo will be assured of a role on the wings or as CF, and Benzema,Higuain or Aguero?/Neymar? will fill the other slot in attack.

And that is where the flaw in this formation is, Real will have at least 8 forward (Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuain, Ozil, Kaka, Di Maria, Aguero?/Neymar? and Callejon) and playing only 3 instead of 4 forwards in the stating lineup would be a waste of the talents we have. So I still doubt Mourinho would field 3 upfront instead of 4 in regular la liga matches.

Playing more forwards =/= playing better. playing the trivote or tridente implies you play with playmaker in the middle so that they can control the game. Alonso, Sahin will be there, like i said Kaka sucks at playmaking so he is a waste down below. I would be curious to see Ozil playing deeper as well.

Di Maria wont be ditched but just because mourinho stucked by him means that he will play for sure, even the clasico. Kun will replace one of benzema or higuain so one less player already. Hopefully kakette is gone by then, so even less people. Callejon is more like back up, so he aint competing to start.

Ozil needs to play in the middle, he isn't a winger. Mourinho needs to stop being so conservative and start being more attacking.

Ozil was the one benched for Di Maria... or when CR7 was moved to CF. I think it will be basically impossible to bench Ozil this year. And CR7 is very stubborn about not wanting to play CF.

It's just a question of who are the best players to fit the 4-3-3 and players' willing to be adaptive.

Also Higuain and Aguero/Benzema should both be starting.

Zidane isnt a side midfielder, yet he used to play on the left of the midfield but was cutting inside all the time to be behind the strikers. you can hardly tell he was behaving like nani...

In the very same way, Ozil wont act like a traditional winger, there is no need to worry about that.

mtfootball wrote:Also Higuain and Aguero/Benzema should both be starting.

only one of them should start ,and if aguero comes,he should be the one.

imo of course

But then we would be back to square one. Benzema/Aguero can play on the wing too.

ronaldo-kun-ozil

simple really. i know you want ozil deeper, bu that wont happen against barca. maybe some other games.

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Zidane isnt a side midfielder, yet he used to play on the left of the midfield but was cutting inside all the time to be behind the strikers. you can hardly tell he was behaving like nani...

In the very same way, Ozil wont act like a traditional winger, there is no need to worry about that.

But that was in a diamond type formation. In a 4-3-3 you need attacking inside forwards or wingers. Ozil is much better in the middle. If we didn't have Alonso we wouldn't need to play Khedira.

it wasnt always a diamond, it used to be a 442, with carlos and zidane combining on the left.

There isnt only one form of 433 with inside forwards, spain doesnt play with two inside forwards for example.

Ozil isnt playing that position now, he doesnt defend that much, so we shouldnt expect for him to feature there. Mourinho didnt reallt test him there either.

Using formation posted by nick, I think the main contenders for each spot would be (without considering calejon, altintop, granero, etc):

CF: kun (if he come), higuain/ benzema

LW: ronaldo

RW: maria, ozil (ozil isn't a winger like di maria, but he can definitely play on the wing just as good but in a different way)

Midfield (front 2): khedira, sahin, ozil, kaka (ozil & kaka should be tried to play here)

Midfield (behind front 2): alonso, sahin

2 CB: pepe, ramos, carvalho

LB: coentrao (if he come), marcelo

RB: arbeola, ramos, coentrao? (if he come)

They will all be rotated for sure. As far as who will be played in though matches, i think it will be depend on the tactic chosen and also form of each player prior to the matches

Yeh in a 4-4-2 you had Figo, Ronaldo and Raúl if Zidane wasn't much of a forward. Here we would only would have Ronaldo and Aguero.

Spain play more of a 4-2-3-1 with attacking fullbacks and wingers cutting inside.

Ozil is better in the middle imo and if we do play this 4-3-3 it mights well be a 4-4-2 diamond.

Problem is, ozil plays too high. being a center midfielder isnt that easy, specially when you have no experience being one. He has the skills to do it, but you cant say he is better there because he never played that position.

it certainly isnt gonna be a traditional shape of the 433 the way to conceive. If anything the midfield will be rather flat, with khedira making surges forward.

spain actually plays a variation of the 433, only, their shapes isnt traditional. it may look like a 4231 at times when xavi goes up but he likes to stay deep as well. Villa as punta, iniesta is SS on the left, Silva on the right and they have xavi and co in support. if not silva, it can be a true CF and iniesta goes right and villa left.

you can change shape. Barca used to have a CF, now they have messi as false 9.