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Post by The Franchise Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:40 am

This is not the first time recently, they have dominated possession. Chelsea a better possession side then them they had 56%, against Stoke they had over 70%, Bolton they had 63%, Arsenal they had 51%, the loss Liverpool earlier they had 57% and the loss to Man City they had 50%.

Are they really as crap as people suggest?

Do people say they are worse then they actually are because of the names (Scholes old, Giggs old, Carrick crap, Anderson fat, crap and injured, Jones a defender, Park hardworking but talentless) rather than how they are actually playing together and functioning?

For example, if they had Xabi Alonso..would anyone say they have a crap midfield?

Even if the possession stats were no different and I reckon you would have a hard time saying what Alonso can do that between Carrick and Scholes they cannot? Heck, Scholes and Carrick probbably pass at a better %.

Note, I am not saying those two are better than Alonso, but are Man Utd really as bad in midfield as its suggested?

And if it is that bad, what is it lacking?
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Post by jibers Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:41 am

Scholes is better than Alonso :coffee:
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Post by Mickeyz Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:42 am

Scholes is carrying it by himself.

At the end of this game we had basically no midfield, no surprise Man Utd dominated.

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Post by Swanhends Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:44 am

There are a legion on man utd haters on this forum...shouldn't take the criticism as if its objective
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:44 am

Scholes is back, quite simple.......

They have dominated every game since he came back.

Technically its not as bad as all that, they have Cleverly( the player who can pass, dribble and create) and Carrick the passer.

They lack someone to destroy opposition attacks tho and have done ever since Hargreaves had all the injuries.

Say the bought a DM...... DM-Cleverly-Carrick

Its not bad at all, the problem is the strength in depth is poor and when those players are out they look very average indeed.
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Post by cyberman Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:46 am

Mockery we dominated u away last week as well. The only big game we get owned in is barca and that's what we're judged on

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Post by Zealous Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:46 am

Donkey league :coffee:

But they definitely outplay most English teams I agree.
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Post by Adit Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:47 am

Won a midfield battle with Hendrson and Spearing ..big deal lol

Fergie recalling Scholes says it all.

Where was their midfield in CL?

They were geting dominated against City with yaya and barry at home ll.

Scholes does improved their midfield by a large margin.
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Post by The Franchise Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:49 am

Adit wrote:Won a midfield battle with Hendrson and Spearing ..big deal lol



Chelsea? Arsenal?
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:50 am

Among all those teams, only the number against Arsenal is interesting, and even there it was close.

THe midfield of Chelsea, Stoke, Liverpool, Bolton etc is shat as well.

Utd is a big side at the end of the day, so to me, they get on top of their opponents with will alone. English teams arent bred to dominate possession, so the number isnt surprising. if i recall, Chelsea activated a super counter tactic when they played Utd, as AVB was starting to change up and play defensive to win points. City is the ultimate big team with low mentality in big games, and they naturally shrink.

Utd have quality, specially when someone like Scholes is playing he makes a world of a difference. Even Cleverley, not because he is great, but because he fits the style of a tempo setter in the mid and make things easy for them.
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Post by paddy Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:50 am

Scholes. That's pretty much it

He's made Gerrard his bitch twice in three weeks now. He turned the Chelsea game around too.

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Post by Nishankly Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:50 am

Tbh we were never up for the game today. Dont deserve to be in that comparison.
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Post by Ganso Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:50 am

Zealous wrote:Donkey league :coffee:


zing,we have a winner
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:51 am

cyberman wrote:Mockery we dominated u away last week as well. The only big game we get owned in is barca and that's what we're judged on

I see someone has forgot the dismantling in the North East already Laughing Mad

It's not as bad as people make it but lets not make things up, Barca is'nt the only time you have ben dominated.

As i said when you have all your players together its a good midfield, but the depth is poor and thats when it starts to look average.

Scholes has made a huge difference, it frankly amazes me how he can go away for 6 months and come back despite his age come back and dominate teams pretty much by himself.....

What a player.
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Post by Adit Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:54 am

The Franchise wrote:
Adit wrote:Won a midfield battle with Hendrson and Spearing ..big deal lol



Chelsea? Arsenal?
Arsenal were playing coqelin,Rosiky,Ramsey midfield .

oh and chelsea howard webb game Laughing

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Post by The Franchise Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:55 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:Among all those teams, only the number against Arsenal is interesting, and even there it was close.

THe midfield of Chelsea, Stoke, Liverpool, Bolton etc is shat as well.

Utd is a big side at the end of the day, so to me, they get on top of their opponents with will alone. English teams arent bred to dominate possession, so the number isnt surprising. if i recall, Chelsea activated a super counter tactic when they played Utd, as AVB was starting to change up and play defensive to win points. City is the ultimate big team with low mentality in big games, and they naturally shrink.

Utd have quality, specially when someone like Scholes is playing he makes a world of a difference. Even Cleverley, not because he is great, but because he fits the style of a tempo setter in the mid and make things easy for them.

I dont exactly disagree, but they are playing in the PL..so is there midfield no good enough for that league? It seems like it is to me.

Benfica this year in one of the games and Valencia last year showed it may have limitiations, but that same midfield got the CL final so I dont think its quite that bad.

I think on paper its the weakest areas they have, but when they play, it isnt often nearly as bad as it seems.
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Post by Adit Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:56 am

Like every one said

Arsenal has a midfield but they played Manu with coquelin,rosiky and ramsey fffsss Laughing

when a team with Decent midfield played them,they got thrashed.

Not even going to mention CL..Laughing
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Post by cyberman Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:57 am

[quote="Adit"]Won a midfield battle with Hendrson and Spearing ..big deal lol

Fergie recalling Scholes says it all.

Where was their midfield in CL?

They were geting dominated against City with yaya and barry at home ll.

Scholes does improved their midfield by a large margin.[/quote]We reached three finals in four years yet our midfield were still considered crap on here. We can't win. Edit mole our midfield weren't dominated v Newcastle, long ball, free kick and an own goal. I can't think of the ladt time ouridfield were completely done bar barca

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Post by The Franchise Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:57 am

Adit wrote:
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Adit wrote:Won a midfield battle with Hendrson and Spearing ..big deal lol



Chelsea? Arsenal?
Arsenal were playing coqelin,Rosiky,Ramsey midfield .

oh and chelsea howard webb game Laughing


Oh so Howard Webb Intercepted a Essien pass, shielded the ball, turned and sprayed it out wide to Valencia...thought that was Scholes...
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Post by Adit Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:03 am

The Franchise wrote:
Adit wrote:
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Adit wrote:Won a midfield battle with Hendrson and Spearing ..big deal lol



Chelsea? Arsenal?
Arsenal were playing coqelin,Rosiky,Ramsey midfield .

oh and chelsea howard webb game Laughing


Oh so Howard Webb Intercepted a Essien pass, shielded the ball, turned and sprayed it out wide to Valencia...thought that was Scholes...
And what have their midfield done untill scholes came on?

people called their Midfield shit before fergie recalling scholes and rightfully so.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:06 am

That's where the goals come from Cyber, but in general play we dominated the game created like one chance all game i have never seen Rooney so quiet because of how the midfield stopped him.....

While its true we didnt our midfield didnt pass through you because that wasnt our plan, but our midfield did stop you from playing.

and used the long ball and crossing to our advantage because we felt we could get at Ferdinand Jones and turned out exactly like that.

Probably right about completely done, but teams have won the midfield battle against you on quite a few occasions this season.
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Post by The Franchise Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:07 am

Some more stats for interest.

First game vs Chelsea, no Scholes, 57% possession. 3-1 win.

2-1 loss to Basel, 57%.

1-1 with Benfica, 62%

3-3 with Basel, 60%

0-2 win with Otelul, 67%

2-0 win with Otelul, 63%

2-2 with Benfica, 66%

Are we still sure the midfield was that bad in the CL?

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Post by Le Samourai Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:12 am

Bit unfair....Arsenal were without Wilshire and Arteta and song was playing defence.

Chelsea? Dunno....they were without GOATmires Razz

From what I saw...even if they had some possession they hardly bossed them around.

Malouda BTW who was playing midfield that day was not doing his job even in the slightest.That stood out to me....he was offering nothing in attack , nothing in defense and he sure as hell wasn't doing anything in midfield.

Carrick and Scholes are also better distribute-rs than Meirles.
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Post by Adit Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:12 am

of course possession=midfield creativity and distribution Laughing

They were clue less in midfield in many games.
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Post by The Franchise Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:17 am

Adit wrote:of course possession=midfield creativity and distribution Laughing

They were clue less in midfield in many games.

So, Man Utd midfield is crap because Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson and co. dont create in the final 1/3?

Do you even watch Man Utd play?

Thats obviously not their role.


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