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Post by VivaStPauli Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:35 am

Too bad this died, I liked the idea.

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Post by Red Alert Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:44 am

Kahn
Zanetti Hyypia Puyol Maldini
Makelele Xavi
Ronaldinho Messi CR7
R9

Didn't even add Gerrard there. =(
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Post by Blackmore. Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:11 pm

I'd take out CR7 and add in Gerrard. He would add balance and you have enough goal scorers in Messi and R9. It's a toss up between Dinho and CR7...and Dinho edges it. Play Gerrard in the whole flanked by the GOAT and the BOAT.
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Post by Lord Hades Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:17 pm

this is all players at their peak right?

iker

zanetti---- puyol ----maldini---- roberto carlos

makalele --- ----- -- ---davids
zidane
messi ----- cr7
r9

substitutes:
buffon
xavi
dinho
gattuso
nesta
zambrotta
raul



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Post by Blackmore. Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:22 pm

Lord Hades, how are you gonna pass the ball to Zidane? and yes, at their peak.
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Post by Lord Hades Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:34 pm

well makalele and davids will win the ball and could either pass it to the wings aka messi and ronaldo or zidane.. messi and ronaldo will do quite a lot of cutting in as is their wont, messi will often look to create, and cr7 will go more often in scoring positions.. thats why full backs with a lot of energy and pace like rc 3 and zanetti are require to help out in attack as well as defend since the wingers wont track back so effectively.. also counting on individual brilliance of a lot of these players especially if they are at their peak
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Post by Die Borussen Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:49 pm

------------------------Dida-------------------------------
zambrotta---beckenbauer---vidic---roberto carlos
--------------Rijkaard------makelele---------------------
george best----pavel nedved-----ronaldinho-------
-------------------Gerd Muller--------------------------

bench: casillas, cafu, rivaldo, pires, messi , cannavaro

coach: mourinho
assistant coach: karanka cheers

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Post by Valkyrja Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:58 pm

Zambrotta over Thuram ?
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Post by Babun Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:00 pm

--------------Lev Yashin-----------------

Cafu-----Kaiser-----Nesta----R. Carlos

----------Redondo----Ballack------------
----------------Zidane--------------------
Jairzinho--------------------Ronaldinho
-------------------R9---------------------

Bench: CR7, Messi, Iniesta, Makelele, Lahm, Maldini, Casillas

eco smile
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:18 pm

______________Zoff

_______Baresi________Beckenbauer
Zanetti__________________________Maldini

__________Rijkaard
____________________Xavi
____________Maradona

Messi____________________Ronaldo
___________Pele

Subs:
Yashin
Blanc
Puyol
Hierro
Zidane
Cruyff
Ronaldo
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Post by baresi Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:31 pm

realistic and common to almost all that are here:
---------------------------Oliver Kahn----------------------
Cafu----------Baresi----------------------Maldini----Carlos
-------------------Koeman-----------Matthäus----------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------Maradona------------------Ronaldinho----------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------vanBasten------------------------------------
---------------------------------------Ronaldo (Brazilian)--------
Subs:
Schmeichel, Messi, Xavi, Zidane, Stam, Ancelotti.
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Post by Die Borussen Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:44 pm

zece wrote:Zambrotta over Thuram ?

imo ye tongue

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Post by Babun Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:46 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:______________Zoff

_______Baresi________Beckenbauer
Zanetti__________________________Maldini

__________Rijkaard
____________________Xavi
____________Maradona

Messi____________________Ronaldo
___________Pele

Subs:
Yashin
Blanc
Puyol
Hierro
Zidane
Cruyff
Ronaldo
Pele <-> Maradona and CR7 <-> Messi in one team, talk about chemistry... eco smile
Your backline on the other ahnd is Thumbs up
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Post by The Franchise Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:03 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Too bad this died, I liked the idea.

Problem is there are great teams everywhere, its hard to debate when there are so many worthy candidates.

Anyway, here is mine. Obviously I have seen some players (Maldini) alot more than others (Garrincha) but I just wanted to be different. Only thing is, I will not put any player I have seen nothing or poor footage of (Di Stefano). Also, I wont put anyone who is under 30, therefore we may not have seen their peak yet. Its a easy way for me to keep Messi out and avoid the trouble lol.

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Subs : Zoff, Baresi, Roberto Carlos, Carlos Alberto, Rijkaard, Zidane, Batistuta

In goal, Buffon, Zoff, it was a toss up. Buffon the ultimate mistake free goalkeeper.

3 man defence with the Kaiser, the ultimate Libero being able to bring the ball out from the back and start attacks. Maldini and Nesta gives us a formidable defence with Maldini's excellent mobility and tackling being a perfect fit with Nesta's reading and intercepting. Indeed, open to wing attacks, but with the players we have here 75% possession isnt out of sight. High line pressing with these 3 intellegant defenders will be the way to go.

Further forward we have the ultimate connector Xavi, he will link perfectly with the Kaiser and Cruyff who himself can play anywhere and because of his movement will go everywhere. Cruyff's position is merely relative, he is free to go anywhere he likes.

Further forward we have Maradona and Pele, a number 10 and the ponta da lança. Maradona using his ability to drop deep and use his array of passing and dribbling. Pele an all around player who can shoot, pass, dribble and even add an late aerial presence. If those two can avoid killing each other they would blend very well.

Garrincha will add width and depth on the right side, he has the ability to beat multiple defenders and his use his speed with give the array of passes we have a constant option. On the left, perhaps the most talented player of them all, a creator and improvisor of the highest order. He likes the leftside and can open himself to the whole field where he can see the entire picture.

Up front, the scorer supreme, the perfect number 9. He wont get over involved in the build up, which makes his inclusion perfect. Will poach and run in behind, but you could easily give him the ball and using his skill, power and speed he can go solo if need be.

On the bench.

Subs : Zoff, Baresi, Roberto Carlos, Carlos Alberto, Rijkaard, Zidane, Batistuta

Baresi fits the Italian contingent at the back and can slot in as a stopper or a sweeper, with him he have the ability to defend deep and in a more tradional setting. Roberto Carlos and Carlos Alberto will be right and leftwing backs, allowing us to go with a 4 man backline. Demons going forward.

I wanted Bobby Charton and considered Makelele, Redondo and Vieira, but more so the Englishman who won the Ballon D'or. But in the end, I have not seen enough of Charlton to simply throw Rijkaard off the bench. He could come into the midfield as a physical destroyer and we lose none of our ability on the ball. Moving the Kaiser back into the defence or keeping a double pivot gives us flexibility.

It was between Zidane, Laudrup, Platini, Zico and even Baggio. The issue is with what we have on the starting 11 we dont need tons of number 10's, I can only select 1. I went in the end of Zidane because I feel he of all of them can play in the deepest positions aswell as on the leftside, only Laudrup can rival that kind of flexibility.

The final bench position I wanted to give to George Best, but considering he played the same position as Garrincha, its pointless and a waste. Another striker in case of a Ronaldo injury seems smart and between Batistuta, Van Bastan and Romario I went with the the Argentine with a bullet shot. Van Bastan was hard to say no to, but injuries were in my mind.





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Post by Blackmore. Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:09 pm

Lovely post, Franchise. I worry about your starting lineups stability and balance. Althought you have so many ball players and passers, you're very prone to the counter attack as you have nobody to track back.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:15 pm

Blackmore. wrote:Lovely post, Franchise. I worry about your starting lineups stability and balance. Althought you have so many ball players and passers, you're very prone to the counter attack as you have nobody to track back.

Thank you.

Well, I plan on having Barca like posession. With the Kaiser, he is a master of knowing when to break forward and when to sit back, he could easily do what Busquets does for Barca (2 positions in one). With the amount of great ball players this team has he will never run past the ball, neither will Xavi.

Indeed, we may be weaker in wide areas, but if we are unable to break through and our wings are getting hurt that bad, Garrincha and Ronaldinho off for the two fullbacks and we go from there.
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Post by LeBéninois Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:25 pm

buffon
center]Cafu Maldini Beckenbauer Carlos

Gerrard

Zidane - Maradonna

Ronaldinho-R9-Messi

Subs : Xavi, Eto'o/Henry, rivaldo, CR7, Alves,Baresi, Pele, Yohan Cruyff


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Post by LeBéninois Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:28 pm

Blackmore. wrote:I wanna make this simple. We each post a team and 7 subs and we compare them against each others'. We can only choose 18 players once so choose carefully. This thread is made for the enormous potential debates that could be had. Imagine a team lead by Xavi and Zidane coming up against a team of Maldini and Nesta.


and so...here is my team, bring it on.

Good topic , it will be even better if we choose players that we actually know ( see playing or watch their videos )


Buffon
Cafu Nesta Beckenbauer Maldini
Xavi Bousquets Zidane
Messi R9 Maradona

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Post by Blackmore. Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:16 pm

Thread will definitly be better if it was on players we've seen play...but I don't wanna get limited to the current generation.

Having said that, I've seen the team I've listed in action. Now let's have some teams challange each other and spark some solid debates.
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Post by Blackmore. Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:17 pm

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Blackmore. wrote:Lovely post, Franchise. I worry about your starting lineups stability and balance. Althought you have so many ball players and passers, you're very prone to the counter attack as you have nobody to track back.

Thank you.

Well, I plan on having Barca like posession. With the Kaiser, he is a master of knowing when to break forward and when to sit back, he could easily do what Busquets does for Barca (2 positions in one). With the amount of great ball players this team has he will never run past the ball, neither will Xavi.

Indeed, we may be weaker in wide areas, but if we are unable to break through and our wings are getting hurt that bad, Garrincha and Ronaldinho off for the two fullbacks and we go from there.

Is it really best playing two fullbacks in advanced positions? unless you're playing total football, I'd rather keep positions the same. But, that is your team and not mine Smile
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Post by delaurentishotz Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:20 pm

Pfffff I put Moggi as general manager , I own legacy wars and whoever you put in your line up.. With Moggi as manager I can bribe refs and make you lose.
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:20 pm

Kamina wrote:Pele <-> Maradona and CR7 <-> Messi in one team, talk about chemistry... eco smile
Your backline on the other ahnd is Thumbs up

Messi to pull the strings together upfront and Xavi to dictate.

It's not so bad IMO.

And yes you can see I'm more of a Defense freak. Maldini and Zanetti are OK enough going forward and both have their Technique. Baresi and Beckenbauer is must CB combo no matter who your team is. Zoff is perfect should there be any breaching. Rijkaard is my favorite piece here. Gruff at the Tackles excellent Workrate but also Technical enough to know what to do with the ball when he comes out playing the ball. The front as you mentioned isn't as together as the backline but I plan to keep the ball long enough to create opportunities everytime.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:25 pm

Blackmore. wrote:
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Blackmore. wrote:Lovely post, Franchise. I worry about your starting lineups stability and balance. Althought you have so many ball players and passers, you're very prone to the counter attack as you have nobody to track back.

Thank you.

Well, I plan on having Barca like posession. With the Kaiser, he is a master of knowing when to break forward and when to sit back, he could easily do what Busquets does for Barca (2 positions in one). With the amount of great ball players this team has he will never run past the ball, neither will Xavi.

Indeed, we may be weaker in wide areas, but if we are unable to break through and our wings are getting hurt that bad, Garrincha and Ronaldinho off for the two fullbacks and we go from there.

Is it really best playing two fullbacks in advanced positions? unless you're playing total football, I'd rather keep positions the same. But, that is your team and not mine Smile

My team will always be about possession, always. My line has this in mind.

If the opponant has 1 striker, Maldini and Nesta will take care of him.

If the opponant has 2 strikers, the Kaiser will become a sweeper and become more defensive so we have 3 V 2.

Because we dont have fullbacks, the opponants wingers will be confused where to play. In the end, they will likely help the middle and not allowing Xavi time on the ball. Because I have Cruyff, he will drop all the back back into wide fullback positions to pick up the ball in space. Thats how our attacks build if they press. With guys like Maradona, Pele, Ronaldinho, Cruyff is free to move into wide positions and we lack nothing in the center.

If we are under pressure and our wings are being exploited, the two fullbacks will be obstacles for the opponant.

If the opponant has a really strong attack in wide areas, then Maldini can play leftback, and the sub will be Baresi coming into the center. Unlike Roberto Carlos, Carlos Alberto has great defensive chops.
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:31 pm

The Franchise wrote:If the opponant has a really strong attack in wide areas, then Maldini can play leftback, and the sub will be Baresi coming into the center. Unlike Roberto Carlos, Carlos Alberto has great defensive chops.

What would happen if someone overloads the Center of your Defense though. I think it would be rater dicey with no support from the Midfield.

Take my Attack, for example.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:40 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:
The Franchise wrote:If the opponant has a really strong attack in wide areas, then Maldini can play leftback, and the sub will be Baresi coming into the center. Unlike Roberto Carlos, Carlos Alberto has great defensive chops.

What would happen if someone overloads the Center of your Defense though. I think it would be rater dicey with no support from the Midfield.

Take my Attack, for example.

You need the ball for that, with the players I have, it wont be easy.

I wont say your team, because you have Xavi just like I do, but a team in that sort of system would be playing on the counter with the players I have and leaving 3 men up the pitch would be rather risky given the amount of attacking talent I have.

My idea is, having the best possession players while still having alot of forwards.

Overall, if I were to just create a team, putting in weaker players but for a more complete team it might not like quite the same. I would take out Ronaldinho for a defender probably.
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:49 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:
The Franchise wrote:If the opponant has a really strong attack in wide areas, then Maldini can play leftback, and the sub will be Baresi coming into the center. Unlike Roberto Carlos, Carlos Alberto has great defensive chops.

What would happen if someone overloads the Center of your Defense though. I think it would be rater dicey with no support from the Midfield.

Take my Attack, for example.

You need the ball for that, with the players I have, it wont be easy.

I wont say your team, because you have Xavi just like I do, but a team in that sort of system would be playing on the counter with the players I have and leaving 3 men up the pitch would be rather risky given the amount of attacking talent I have.

My idea is, having the best possession players while still having alot of forwards.

Overall, if I were to just create a team, putting in weaker players but for a more complete team it might not like quite the same. I would take out Ronaldinho for a defender probably.

And you have Baresi so that'll be enough to cover all my Forwards. The best I can do is make sure your Forwards don't do anything at all. I'd probably just put in Puyol for Zanetti to give me a good chance at recovering the ball from my zone.

I think it's pretty 50/50 here. It's litterally Attack vs Defense.
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