Conte is making me soooo angry!!

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:16 pm

elmystique wrote:after staying within the Misty Mountains for far too long, Smeagol [Gollum]

soon forgot how life in the normal world seemed like and the taste of bread.....

I fear that is the doom that has befallen many a Juve fan, many now feel draws are good, happy to be in 2nd place behind AC Milan is a fine situation,

- would be happy to scrape even 3rd place,

well we forget AC Milan has lost 3 games and yet by virtue of the many games we let down to draws we are only 1 pt ahead of them when we could have been miles ahead of them had we utilized those games

- we forget these draws were mostly against mid-table teams....

- we forget that the difference b/n us and even 5th placed Inter Milan is now 5 pts....

- we forget that it is January.......

we have forgotten who we are and think like Siena fans theses days.... it is such a travesty....

even Siena fans would vent if they drew at home to Cagliari cos they know these are the kind off games where winning will provide them survival in the league....


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Post by TrezeGent Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:11 pm

Juventude wrote:
king_alex10 wrote:The first 3 pages of this thread are HILARIOUS

Juventus, first place, and that's the bottom line

Do people forget how well we were doing about this same time of year the past few seasons? We were right in the title hunt.


You don't achieve or maintain success by relishing your victories. You do it by recognizing your weaknesses and improving upon them.

I will celebrate being in first place after the 38th match of the Serie A schedule, not before then.

The fans on the board that are complaining are true fans that are happy we are in first, but they recognize that this team needs to improve if our standing is to continue.

No man, just no! Yeep we were up there, but no way did we play convincing football as we do today. Every single game last seasons we won was because of individuals. They kept us for a few games despite Juventus being terrible with organization, strategies and tactics (Dont make me start talking about winning mentality.)

Simply, we played like crap, small teams were dominating our possession and relegated-zone teams attacked us more than we attacked them. FACT!

This season, we have another mentality. The guys dont just give up after condensing a goal (we used to do that all the time previous years). They fight, dont lose, play possession and allow the opposition the minimum number of chances.

If we had a player better than Bonucci this juve would only have condensed 5 goals this year. Bonucci has given away half of the goals we have condensed.

This just only needs a Pepe and Matri replacement (and Bonucci of course).

Had Matri been more clinical and versatile we would have scored WAY more goals.

And no, Krasic and Elia are not the people to replace Pepe.

I don't need to talk about Krasic. As for Elia, doesnt do anything to convince Conte he could make a change in the game. I dont know if you guys have followed Ellia, but there's a reason he was a sub in his previous team. He just is not Juve material, and Pepe and Giancherinni do a way better job than him and Krasic.

SO...Stop with stupid Conte accusations but had it not been for him, Juventus wouldnt be where we are right now.

WTF do you expect from a team with LOW budged coming from the 7th place ? To win the Champions league?

Ridiculous!
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Post by Juventude Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:20 pm

juvefan4life wrote:
Juventude wrote:
king_alex10 wrote:The first 3 pages of this thread are HILARIOUS

Juventus, first place, and that's the bottom line

Do people forget how well we were doing about this same time of year the past few seasons? We were right in the title hunt.


You don't achieve or maintain success by relishing your victories. You do it by recognizing your weaknesses and improving upon them.

I will celebrate being in first place after the 38th match of the Serie A schedule, not before then.

The fans on the board that are complaining are true fans that are happy we are in first, but they recognize that this team needs to improve if our standing is to continue.

No man, just no! Yeep we were up there, but no way did we play convincing football as we do today. Every single game last seasons we won was because of individuals. They kept us for a few games despite Juventus being terrible with organization, strategies and tactics (Dont make me start talking about winning mentality.)

Simply, we played like crap, small teams were dominating our possession and relegated-zone teams attacked us more than we attacked them. FACT!

This season, we have another mentality. The guys dont just give up after condensing a goal (we used to do that all the time previous years). They fight, dont lose, play possession and allow the opposition the minimum number of chances.

If we had a player better than Bonucci this juve would only have condensed 5 goals this year. Bonucci has given away half of the goals we have condensed.

This just only needs a Pepe and Matri replacement (and Bonucci of course).

Had Matri been more clinical and versatile we would have scored WAY more goals.

And no, Krasic and Elia are not the people to replace Pepe.

I don't need to talk about Krasic. As for Elia, doesnt do anything to convince Conte he could make a change in the game. I dont know if you guys have followed Ellia, but there's a reason he was a sub in his previous team. He just is not Juve material, and Pepe and Giancherinni do a way better job than him and Krasic.

SO...Stop with stupid Conte accusations but had it not been for him, Juventus wouldnt be where we are right now.

WTF do you expect from a team with LOW budged coming from the 7th place ? To win the Champions league?

Ridiculous!

I won't be stopping with the Conte critiques. Just as I'm sure that Conte doesn't stop criticizing himself because that's what a real champion does to stay great. My point is that there is always room for improvement, so I will make my comments on where Juve needs to improve. If you don't like it, then ignore what people are saying and go celebrate being in first place in January.

Plus, there are very few managers that are above receiving no criticism from fans and Conte is not yet one of them.
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Post by TrezeGent Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:25 pm

Juventude wrote:
juvefan4life wrote:
Juventude wrote:
king_alex10 wrote:The first 3 pages of this thread are HILARIOUS

Juventus, first place, and that's the bottom line

Do people forget how well we were doing about this same time of year the past few seasons? We were right in the title hunt.


You don't achieve or maintain success by relishing your victories. You do it by recognizing your weaknesses and improving upon them.

I will celebrate being in first place after the 38th match of the Serie A schedule, not before then.

The fans on the board that are complaining are true fans that are happy we are in first, but they recognize that this team needs to improve if our standing is to continue.

No man, just no! Yeep we were up there, but no way did we play convincing football as we do today. Every single game last seasons we won was because of individuals. They kept us for a few games despite Juventus being terrible with organization, strategies and tactics (Dont make me start talking about winning mentality.)

Simply, we played like crap, small teams were dominating our possession and relegated-zone teams attacked us more than we attacked them. FACT!

This season, we have another mentality. The guys dont just give up after condensing a goal (we used to do that all the time previous years). They fight, dont lose, play possession and allow the opposition the minimum number of chances.

If we had a player better than Bonucci this juve would only have condensed 5 goals this year. Bonucci has given away half of the goals we have condensed.

This just only needs a Pepe and Matri replacement (and Bonucci of course).

Had Matri been more clinical and versatile we would have scored WAY more goals.

And no, Krasic and Elia are not the people to replace Pepe.

I don't need to talk about Krasic. As for Elia, doesnt do anything to convince Conte he could make a change in the game. I dont know if you guys have followed Ellia, but there's a reason he was a sub in his previous team. He just is not Juve material, and Pepe and Giancherinni do a way better job than him and Krasic.

SO...Stop with stupid Conte accusations but had it not been for him, Juventus wouldnt be where we are right now.

WTF do you expect from a team with LOW budged coming from the 7th place ? To win the Champions league?

Ridiculous!

I won't be stopping with the Conte critiques. Just as I'm sure that Conte doesn't stop criticizing himself because that's what a real champion does to stay great. My point is that there is always room for improvement, so I will make my comments on where Juve needs to improve. If you don't like it, then ignore what people are saying and go celebrate being in first place in January.

Plus, there are very few managers that are above receiving no criticism from fans and Conte is not yet one of them.

Youre right mate, I'm all for Juve improving and there is certainly room for improvement.

To be clear, not all of my comment was directed to you, it was instead directed to everyone who gives shit to Conte for not playing Krasic and Elia :facepalm: .

The difference between Conte and other coaches is that he actually comes publicly and emphasizes the teams mistakes. Ranieri, Ferrara, Zach and Del Neri did not do that. Instead they came up with statements of how happy they were even in those cases where Juve beat the weakest teams by using individualism and shitty tactics.

Conte is doing a great job in my opinion. Very Happy

In Conte we trust! Very Happy Smile
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Post by DeviAngel Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:44 pm

I respect every1's opinion here in this post ... and Juventude even thou i don't agree fully with you , you are one smart man.


guys pls keep it civil here and no insults ( I am not saying u r insulting but have to say it )
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Post by Il Pinguino Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:34 pm

It's amazing how many react because of a draw yet I don think people realize at just how amazing it is that juve goes from 7th place last year to currently first....all while fielding players like pepe. This juve is much different this year. Conte has given this team much needed confidence...something they lacked the last 2-3 seasons. If this man is given the player he wants we'll be a force. If there's any problem I see on this team it's the lack of a clinical WC forward and LB...chiellini needs to take the cb spot from bonucci badly. As for rotation can you blame the man for not playing unwanted players? What would that do in the long run? Coaches choice gets my backing! He deserves it after how he's transformed this team thus far
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Post by Juventude Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:53 pm

DeviAngel wrote:I respect every1's opinion here in this post ... and Juventude even thou i don't agree fully with you , you are one smart man.


guys pls keep it civil here and no insults ( I am not saying u r insulting but have to say it )

I will keep it civil, Devi. And thanks for the compliment.

I'm proud of our results, but, after calciopoli, it has been painful and I just want to see Juve back to being an epic team. Being an American follower of Juve is not easy because you're surrounded by so many EPL fans in this country. My fiancee's family lived in England for quite some time and even she has U.S. and UK citizenship. So, I have to put up with hearing about English teams and champions league (it's almost too painful to even watch CL the past two years).

I just want to see us great again and have world class players throughout the squad. I dream of Juve being back to the level of being able to sub in a player like Del P for Zlatan or Trez for Zalayeta. I don't like seeing an old and out of form Del P or Krasic coming in to save us from a 1-1 draw with Cagliari.
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Post by The_ItalianFool Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:23 am

@OP

Uhhh, I believe this is Borriello's 11th year in Serie A, and he is also Italian.. Elia and Borriello comparison doesnt make much sense.
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Post by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:33 am

Immobile > Borriello

Borriello is a disgrace, a fool who snubbed Juve in the past. Don't give me the BS that he didn't, let him deny it all he wants. He did what he did, and he's a disgrace to this squad. He's a flop at Roma and to Marotta it's right to sign a flop and a phony like Borriello.
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Post by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:35 am

Juventude... Im impressed. You're taking words out of my mouth.
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Post by Lynx100 Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:58 am

From what I can see - all ways of thinking here are valid and worthy.

Conte, like every other manager including SAF, has his faults but he also has his merits. In retrospect, he doesnt always make the right decisions but hes doing a very good job at the moment.

Time will tell how the team progresses in the 2nd half of the season now that everyone has has a 'taste' of the new Juve and can come up with a good plan to counter it.

The 2nd half of the season is going to be the REAL test as to how good Juve and Conte are. Can they still emerge victorious now that the opposition know whats coming their way?? Can Conte come up with a strategy to counter the oppositions counter-strategy. Can our players lift that little bit extra to stay ahead of the pack. I think they can, and I think Conte has the ability to do it.

Conte, just like the players, needs to improve certain areas but hes only human. As long as he continues to strive for excellence, we as fans, cannot ask for anythign more.
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