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Post by billionmillion Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:08 pm

Pele was similar to Baggio, dribbling in standing position or in slow walking mode. Can not say anything about Zico, i saw his few dribbling moments on the net. he was mostly all about goals. Watching his few dribblings i think he is similar to kaka. But really he was probably best striker ever, people only watched r9 here. but zico can score from any situtation

on topic we are talking about
- changing directions at speed (not in standing or walking position)
- the ball must stick to your feet while doing it (not kicking and running after it).
- get past at least 3 players using this method

Required: Balance, Gravity, Technically great touches

one example in this video (no trick required)



He can even turn back while running, anybody did it before?


another example (a little trick required)


he keeps his balance greatly and tricks defender on the line without thinking or reducing his speed

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Post by FilthyLuca Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:47 pm

Ronaldinho

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Post by Ganso Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:10 pm

Congrats to you guys.Def up there with Pele and Maradona
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Post by Harmonica Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:10 pm

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90 degree turn in the box, it's just insane.
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Post by the xcx Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:04 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Ronaldo fenomeno was probably one of the most explosive dribbler of all time, next to guys like Kaka or Romario. But he couldnt turn, weave in and out like Messi does. He was a power runner, would skin anyone next to him, but he wasnt as good changing directions the way Messi does.
Thats because of being tall, and being big? He lacked agility and flexibility thats fo sho.
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Post by Harmonica Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:22 pm

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Post by billionmillion Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:12 pm

boss of signatures :bow:
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Post by Lord Hades Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:23 am

when you are short its quite easy you know, its amazing actually because i am left footed and 169 cm too.. so i know you dont have to be a great dribbler, its easy to change directions n all.. of course messi must do it 1000 times better than me so one can only imagine how easy it must be for him to beat his man
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Post by billionmillion Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:51 pm

so why all short players can not dribble like messi if the key skill is being short?
This secret is not revealed yet
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:44 am

I subscribe to the theory. I'm tall, therefore, the only reason I can't dribble is my height, not my lack of talent banana
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:58 am

A tall Argentine.....lack of talent or not....get to centerback.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:10 am

Coloccini is 6 ft plus and very talented ( he's got more skills than most forwards in the epl Laughing )

He's ours anyways so GTFO argentina :coffee:
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Post by kiranr Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:18 am

Messi has got astonishingly quick and nimble feet. That is the explanation.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:36 am

The xcx wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Ronaldo fenomeno was probably one of the most explosive dribbler of all time, next to guys like Kaka or Romario. But he couldnt turn, weave in and out like Messi does. He was a power runner, would skin anyone next to him, but he wasnt as good changing directions the way Messi does.
Thats because of being tall, and being big? He lacked agility and flexibility thats fo sho.
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Yes it is. Ronaldo was quite muscular, but his muscles were elastic nonetheless, so much that he could still use his explosiveness and athleticism to change direction, and make it seems like he was never losing speed. But never was he the kind to make zig zag like dribbles between people. He would do tricks to get through 2 or more players, and then use his acceleration to bury them on the spot.

Ronaldinho is another one that was relatively tall, but he had the most unusual body in football, he was incredibly elastic.

If you investigate, you will find that all the most dangerous dribblers of all time are almost all under 183cm, and i mean those players that could run circles around you. Pele, Best, cruyff, Zico, Rivelino, Baggio, Zola etc...

billionmillion wrote:so why all short players can not dribble like messi if the key skill is being short?
This secret is not revealed yet

Body morphology is not the same for every short player. Messi obviously is very unique, just look at how many times he moves his legs on a run and how quickly he does it. It was said before that his center of gravity is particularly low, so it's very complicated to make him lose his balance. Add to it his ridiculous close control, which he developed and perfected overtime, it looks as good as Maradona's, and you have yourself a monster dribbler.

Other short players with different bodies simply might not achieve what Messi does. Sanchez for example, incredibly explosive, yet, his body is not the same as messi, and his close control is not up there yet.

Marcelo is also one that has a very low center of gravity for his size, and you can see just how unpredictable he is when he dribbles. Isco as well, but he is the taller of them all, not yet developed tho, he is going to be a fantastic dribbler imo.
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Post by Harmonica Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:55 am

I think Messi is so good at dribbling, because he has the most perfect technique, optimal body, and because of that, he can use all of the time to vision and calculate his surroundings better, and plan all the moves beforehand. That's why defenders seem always so slow and too late on the tackles.
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Post by Hamdyman Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:41 pm

I do agree on the concept of shorter players having an advantage in turning and generally speaking dribbling... Very rarely we see an Ibra but great short dribblers are uncountable..

The two players i personally believe to have the closest "in speed" (not technique) sharp turns, and moves to Messi are both Brazilian, Denilson and Ronaldinho. Denilson in particular.

But Messi has an advantage over most of them, that is basically having more sensitive touches on the ball letting it stay close to his body, simply a total fear machine for anyone on the other side...
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Post by Nirgall Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:46 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:Coloccini is 6 ft plus and very talented ( he's got more skills than most forwards in the epl Laughing )

He's ours anyways so GTFO argentina :coffee:

He was never yours to begin with. His talent and haircut were deviced in argentina. You are just borrowing him until his greatness returns to the homeland.
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Post by Nirgall Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:51 pm

Speaking about Messi's dribbling, an argentine national team medic said about messi that the thing that surprised him the most when he was examining him was his movement ratio. Said that it was much faster than what is normal for a football player.
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Post by billionmillion Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:19 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

billionmillion wrote:so why all short players can not dribble like messi if the key skill is being short?
This secret is not revealed yet

Body morphology is not the same for every short player. Messi obviously is very unique, just look at how many times he moves his legs on a run and how quickly he does it. It was said before that his center of gravity is particularly low, so it's very complicated to make him lose his balance. Add to it his ridiculous close control, which he developed and perfected overtime, it looks as good as Maradona's, and you have yourself a monster dribbler.

Other short players with different bodies simply might not achieve what Messi does. Sanchez for example, incredibly explosive, yet, his body is not the same as messi, and his close control is not up there yet.

Marcelo is also one that has a very low center of gravity for his size, and you can see just how unpredictable he is when he dribbles. Isco as well, but he is the taller of them all, not yet developed tho, he is going to be a fantastic dribbler imo.
i agree with this. and i think people give very less credit to his technique. i think the reason between other short players and messi is technique. the way he touches the ball while running and changing direction is amazing. no mistakes at touches while running. very very close control and its hard to get the ball from him

to do this requires too much technique and i think technique is not only measured how you control the ball with your chest or using tricky ways (like zidane). technique also measured how you control the ball while dribbling
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Post by Lord Hades Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:21 am

i wouldnt know about tall player, heck i was only sharing my own experiences, since i havent got that much of talent but ican dribble pretty well.. its easy to change directions , hold off people,especially if you have a stocky build.. and considering messi is the same height and weight , i was maknig a reasonable assumption that his shorter height makes it easier for him to dribble..
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Post by sunjeev Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:03 pm

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jiopsi wrote:I think Messi is so good at dribbling, because he has the most perfect technique, optimal body, and because of that, he can use all of the time to vision and calculate his surroundings better, and plan all the moves beforehand. That's why defenders seem always so slow and too late on the tackles.

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My thoughts exactly, also where did you get that Messi signature gif.

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Post by messixaviesta Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:40 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Ronaldo fenomeno was probably one of the most explosive dribbler of all time, next to guys like Kaka or Romario. But he couldnt turn, weave in and out like Messi does. He was a power runner, would skin anyone next to him, but he wasnt as good changing directions the way Messi does.

Very well explained.

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