With 110M people, why isn't Mexico a global power?

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Post by Catracho Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:36 pm

OLpower wrote:I think that the Mexican league is not enough.

We had a player from the Mexican league, Cesar Delgado who was dominating in that league almost looking like Cristiano Ronaldo at some occasin. He came here but had hard time to adapt.

Technically he was still one of the best of our team and he was shining when gaining playing time. But his problem is that he was injured a lot, he was not adapted to the physical dimension of the french league. He should have come younger to really succeed.

can't stop laughing yet.

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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:39 pm

Delgado wasn't that outstanding, tbh. Camorenesi, though, now that guy was a player.
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Post by OLpower Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:41 pm

Catracho wrote:
OLpower wrote:I think that the Mexican league is not enough.

We had a player from the Mexican league, Cesar Delgado who was dominating in that league almost looking like Cristiano Ronaldo at some occasin. He came here but had hard time to adapt.

Technically he was still one of the best of our team and he was shining when gaining playing time. But his problem is that he was injured a lot, he was not adapted to the physical dimension of the french league. He should have come younger to really succeed.

can't stop laughing yet.

Don't laugh, they even did a video comparing the two.

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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:43 pm

Wait, how's Mexico underperforming, though?

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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:45 pm

OLpower wrote:
Catracho wrote:
OLpower wrote:I think that the Mexican league is not enough.

We had a player from the Mexican league, Cesar Delgado who was dominating in that league almost looking like Cristiano Ronaldo at some occasin. He came here but had hard time to adapt.

Technically he was still one of the best of our team and he was shining when gaining playing time. But his problem is that he was injured a lot, he was not adapted to the physical dimension of the french league. He should have come younger to really succeed.

can't stop laughing yet.

Don't laugh, they even did a video comparing the two.

We're arrogant. Had to be a "Cementero". Laughing Loling at the fact the video exists.

You'll find noobs everywhere. Put in Chicharito vs. Messi for more Lolz.
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Post by Babun Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:48 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:Wait, how's Mexico underperforming, though?

Mexico don't under perform. In South America, only Brazil seems to breed potent defenders Very Happy As long as the defense sucks, no attack or midfield can save them Very Happy Argentine is the prime example. Of course, their players are not known as much as other South American countries Very Happy I think there isn't an established scouting network Very Happy
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Post by Magricos Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:28 pm

Underperform in what way ? Mexico got Germany and Argentina last 2 WCs

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Post by Sushi Master Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:37 am

From what I gather, the Mexican league pays well and most players prefer to stay rather than move to the "big guns"?

Population has nothing to do with it. Uruguay has only 3 and a half million people!
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Post by VanDeezNuts Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:31 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Football is the predominant sport there, they have a well-structured league, and there's tons of people. One would think that with a population near 3 times the size of Argentina's and 2 times as big as that of France, Italy and England they would be doing better than they are now.

So, resident Mexicans, why is your NT under-performing?

+1 you do bring a good point. the leagues in mexico imo, are comprable to that of argentina and brazil, not filled with as many quality players like the argentinian and brazilian leagues, but comprable non the less.

they have a large population- one that heavily supports its NT
not terrible economy

they should in theory be pumping out future serie a la liga and epl stars at at least a similar rate when compared to argentina and brazil.

but imo they are on a similar level to u.s.a. maybe an edge better... why?

sorry if i offended anyone i know there are mexican stars in the top 4 leagues

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Post by Art Morte Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:18 am

hrealmadrid wrote:[–]wawin 48 points 11 months ago
I think it's a sum of things. For one, their tournament has too much money.
I know it sounds retarded but hear me out. In all of the America's, the tournament that pays the most money is the Mexican League, by far. Good players preffer to stay at home, make buttloads of cash + be around their families than going to Europe for less money, no fame and little family.
While it does seem like a no brainer decision for many people (money+fame+family), the fact is that good players enter a plateu state when they stay in Mexico. Meanwhile, the handful of players that actually venture into European territory are greated by the dark reminder that they need to be a lot more physical, more disciplined and have a more tactical mentallity if they wish to succeed in the Europe Leagues. Many fall by the wayside when confronted with the fact that they need to better their quality and actually learn new things. There are of course, other players who rise up to the challenge and become way better players than they were in Mexico, for example Rafa Marquez with Barcelona.
Then there is also the way the league is designed, it works in a Playoff structure + short calendar (2 tournaments). You can get mediocre teams on top rather easily with that system. Since you need players to make a difference in short bursts when you play short calendars, you can't really take a chance with young kids, so you get more outside help. The Mexican league right now is filled with very good south american players precisely because it pays very good, many of which you will see in teams like Paraguay, Uruguay.
So now you have a system that at the same time makes good talent want to stay for too long in the league + whenever it needs more new good players it looks to South America for help. This results in young talent not given enough chance to play partly because most of the important spots are filled by mexican players that don't want to venture into europe and south americans who are making big bucks.
There is also widespread nepotism and corruption in the Federation, but that is besides the point since that is true in fifa, uefa, conmebol, etc.
Another factor is the press. I have espn latino and many of the shows are designed for the mexican audience. The amount of pressure they put upon the players, the coach, everybody is nothing short of amazing. If you think the England and Argentinian pressure is tough, it's nothing like the mexican press. They have actually made entire shows in espn dedicated to following their national team, and on many occassion dedicated the entire show to destroying everybody. It also works the other way around, if they win any game, then they are gods amongst men and will surely defeat anyone in their wake. It's border line schizophrenic.
So yeah, it's a lot of things.
TL:DR: many factors. Too much money, league problems, press pressure.

http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ckjdz/to_the_mexicans_and_mexifans_why_isnt_mexico_a/

A very fine post, just please, next time put in a few line spaces :p

Would be cool to see Mexico develop and rise to its full potential, but apparently a lot has to change for that to happen. Like in pretty much anything, volume isn't all there is, you need to know how to refine it to get quality.
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Post by Nishankly Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:57 am

Swine flu guys!!
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:25 am

Magricos wrote: Underperform in what way ? Mexico got Germany and Argentina last 2 WCs
In the overall quality of their squad, I suppose.
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Post by honduran09 Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:56 am

Magricos wrote: Underperform in what way ? Mexico got Germany and Argentina last 2 WCs

When did mexico get germany as far as i remember it went like this...

2010: Argentina 3-1
2006: Argentina 2-1
2002: USA 2-0
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Post by iftikhar Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:48 pm

Why Bangladesh (160 mil) struggles even in regional competitions!

Why China qualified only once for the WC and India have never!!

Why The Netherlands (6 mil) is a football super power!!!
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Post by windkick Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:15 pm

Apparently Spurs are set to sign Antonio Pedroza from Jaguares. Should be an indication that more Mexican players might be soon to start to get noticed (more than likely all due to Chicharito's success)

That said, I wouldnt go to Spurs, seeing as how Giovani got almost no time to show his worth with Spurs over crowded midfield. Like I said earlier, they need to go to smaller clubs where they can start like what Guardado and Moreno did
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Post by The dizz Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:25 pm

why with 1.3 billion people is china not a global football power..
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Post by Art Morte Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:29 pm

iftikhar wrote:Why Bangladesh (160 mil) struggles even in regional competitions!

Why China qualified only once for the WC and India have never!!

Why The Netherlands (6 mil) is a football super power!!!

Netherland's population is 16 million, but yeah, being able to efficiently develop talent is so very important.
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Post by I-no Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:10 pm

balkan teams are the real freaks.for noobs, I mean serbia, croatia and so on. tennis, football....they are in every sport ,lol!
bad in cricket obviously Razz
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Post by Uruguay Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:57 pm

Why Uruguay is so successful with only 3million people? Razz
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Post by windkick Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:27 pm

honduran09 wrote:
Magricos wrote: Underperform in what way ? Mexico got Germany and Argentina last 2 WCs

When did mexico get germany as far as i remember it went like this...

2010: Argentina 3-1
2006: Argentina 2-1
2002: USA 2-0

That 2-1 against Argentina, Mexico played great. This recent loss Mexico was in "rebuilding mold" with a bad manager. That loss against USA was a shocker, same year Mexico won the group from Italy I believe. Before that they lost to the mighty Germany teams from back then. Pretty much Mexico is solid, but deff not amongst the elites.
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Post by M99 Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:49 pm

iftikhar wrote:Why Bangladesh (160 mil) struggles even in regional competitions!

Why China qualified only once for the WC and India have never!!

Why The Netherlands (6 mil) is a football super power!!!

Alfred rename the title "With 110 million people and a rich footballing culture, why isn't Mexico a footballing superpower" to avoid posts like this. People don't usually read posts, they just jump to quick reply.

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Post by gkamtu Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:00 pm

this thread will be to good to chicharito and marques...
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