With 110M people, why isn't Mexico a global power?

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:26 pm

Football is the predominant sport there, they have a well-structured league, and there's tons of people. One would think that with a population near 3 times the size of Argentina's and 2 times as big as that of France, Italy and England they would be doing better than they are now.

So, resident Mexicans, why is your NT under-performing?
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Post by naven Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:37 pm

China and India, WHY ARE YOU NOT WINNING WORLD CUPS?

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:39 pm

Not comparable. There is no football culture there comparable to the one that exists in Mexico.
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Post by hrealmadrid Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:41 pm

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I think it's a sum of things. For one, their tournament has too much money.
I know it sounds retarded but hear me out. In all of the America's, the tournament that pays the most money is the Mexican League, by far. Good players preffer to stay at home, make buttloads of cash + be around their families than going to Europe for less money, no fame and little family.
While it does seem like a no brainer decision for many people (money+fame+family), the fact is that good players enter a plateu state when they stay in Mexico. Meanwhile, the handful of players that actually venture into European territory are greated by the dark reminder that they need to be a lot more physical, more disciplined and have a more tactical mentallity if they wish to succeed in the Europe Leagues. Many fall by the wayside when confronted with the fact that they need to better their quality and actually learn new things. There are of course, other players who rise up to the challenge and become way better players than they were in Mexico, for example Rafa Marquez with Barcelona.
Then there is also the way the league is designed, it works in a Playoff structure + short calendar (2 tournaments). You can get mediocre teams on top rather easily with that system. Since you need players to make a difference in short bursts when you play short calendars, you can't really take a chance with young kids, so you get more outside help. The Mexican league right now is filled with very good south american players precisely because it pays very good, many of which you will see in teams like Paraguay, Uruguay.
So now you have a system that at the same time makes good talent want to stay for too long in the league + whenever it needs more new good players it looks to South America for help. This results in young talent not given enough chance to play partly because most of the important spots are filled by mexican players that don't want to venture into europe and south americans who are making big bucks.
There is also widespread nepotism and corruption in the Federation, but that is besides the point since that is true in fifa, uefa, conmebol, etc.
Another factor is the press. I have espn latino and many of the shows are designed for the mexican audience. The amount of pressure they put upon the players, the coach, everybody is nothing short of amazing. If you think the England and Argentinian pressure is tough, it's nothing like the mexican press. They have actually made entire shows in espn dedicated to following their national team, and on many occassion dedicated the entire show to destroying everybody. It also works the other way around, if they win any game, then they are gods amongst men and will surely defeat anyone in their wake. It's border line schizophrenic.
So yeah, it's a lot of things.
TL:DR: many factors. Too much money, league problems, press pressure.

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Post by naven Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:47 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Not comparable. There is no football culture there comparable to the one that exists in Mexico.

It was a joke Smile

but on a serious level, its probably because Mexico isn't actually recognised as a footballing school. Argentina and Brazil constantly develop young players who become footballing legends (Pele, Ronaldo, Messi). Apart from Hernandez, this hasn't happened recently. So football teams don't send scouts there as much.

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Post by naven Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:50 pm

jiopsi wrote:

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Ahahahah WIN!

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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:54 pm

simple. they dont have a good enough philospohy.

considering the years they have been rather active, and all the players that have comed out of mexico and all the events...


they dont have a proper footballing philospohy to teach.

theyre greatest player though is prob the best player concacaf has ever seen
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Post by IzzyC08 Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:21 pm

Crime & Corruption.....Mexico is under terrible conditions.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:22 pm

You're going to tell me Brazil doesn't have crime & corruption too? Or any other South American country?
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:24 pm

its not the crime and corruption lol, anyone that speaks spanish or lives near mexico aka california knows a good deal about the type of stuff going on in mexico.

football is like a religion in there isnt it? i dont know maybe it is their philosphy, they are the biggest underperformers in talent in the world?
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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:30 pm

We are not a Global Power beacuse we've never gotten enough talent into Europe. We don't export our youngsters like Argentina and Brazil. It's as if Europe is blind to everywhere else bar those two countries when it comes to buying youth, honestly.

Talent's there but Argentina's and Brazil's and even Uruguay's achievements in the past ring lounder than the potential youth's anywhere else in the world.


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Post by spanky Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:32 pm

well tbh, spain never won anything before 2008 either and they always had one of the best squads, its the bottling mentality tbh.
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:33 pm

the quality of players as well, i guess mexico havnt produced enough word class talent and then built on it..

they can only get stronger in the future.
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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:34 pm

Spain was always a global power, though. Mexico became a decent side since the 80's onwards.
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:36 pm

spain has clubs like real madrid and barcelona

mexico arent as rich in history, its the footballing philosophy when u come down to it. and that affects all factors in a country's football.

do mexico PRODUCE enough world class talent, and do they do enough to spread them out to europe?
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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:40 pm

They produce but don't sell.

We're actually kind of cheap, tbh. We always want to sell to the highest bidder.

Also, take this batch of kids, atm. We've basically got a youth team in Europe, atm. Juarez, Moreno (who you'll see at Espanyol next season), Guardado, Barrera, Vela, Chicharito.
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Post by Babun Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:45 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:We are not a Global Power beacuse we've never gotten enough talent into Europe. We don't export our youngsters like Argentina and Brazil. It's as if Europe is blind to everywhere else bar those two countries when it comes to buying youth, honestly.

Talent's there but Argentina's and Brazil's and even Uruguay's achievements in the past ring lounder than the potential youth's anywhere else in the world.
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Post by guest7 Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:45 pm

Hugo Sanchez.

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Mexico was good once upon a time
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Post by windkick Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:08 pm

To be fair Mexico has always done pretty solid in the World Cup but always come across some monumintal force (Argentina a few times, Germany a few times...countries that Mexico was able to hang with and not get blown out). Rafa Marquez, Hugo Sanchez, and now Chicharito...there has been good talent to go to Europe, it's just that the majority of the talent prefers to stay behind and be gods amongst men until it's too late (C. Blanco and Borgetti comes to mind). Another issue I think is that players will only want to leave for big clubs, but then because of that end up NEVER getting any playing time thus wasting time on the bench (G. Dos Santos with Barcelona, Vela with Arsenal etc). They need to take a smaller job where they are garunteed starting like Guardado did with Deportivo imo.

Mexico has to feel pretty good about it's future right now, the current Mexico NT is composed of almost nothing but youngsters with also a very impressive young squad representing at the Copa America. Maybe with this influx of young promising talent, more Mexican players will go play abroad
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Post by OLpower Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:26 pm

I think that the Mexican league is not enough.

We had a player from the Mexican league, Cesar Delgado who was dominating in that league almost looking like Cristiano Ronaldo at some occasin. He came here but had hard time to adapt.

Technically he was still one of the best of our team and he was shining when gaining playing time. But his problem is that he was injured a lot, he was not adapted to the physical dimension of the french league. He should have come younger to really succeed.
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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:28 pm

omarish wrote:Hugo Sanchez.

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Cough* Luis Garcia, Hernadez, Alves, Campos, Suarez, Pardo, Osorio, Blanco, Villa, Torrado, Marquez, Borgetti, Chicharito, Ochoa, Guardado cough*
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Post by Lord Awesome Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:34 pm

babun1024 wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:We are not a Global Power beacuse we've never gotten enough talent into Europe. We don't export our youngsters like Argentina and Brazil. It's as if Europe is blind to everywhere else bar those two countries when it comes to buying youth, honestly.

Talent's there but Argentina's and Brazil's and even Uruguay's achievements in the past ring lounder than the potential youth's anywhere else in the world.
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Post by Catracho Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:34 pm

The Madrid One wrote:simple. they dont have a good enough philospohy.

considering the years they have been rather active, and all the players that have comed out of mexico and all the events...


they dont have a proper footballing philospohy to teach.

theyre greatest player though is prob the best player concacaf has ever seen

I'm pretty sure Hugo Sanchez is one of the best forwards that ANYONE has ever seen play.


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Post by Catracho Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:36 pm

OLpower wrote:I think that the Mexican league is not enough.

We had a player from the Mexican league, Cesar Delgado who was dominating in that league almost looking like Cristiano Ronaldo at some occasin. He came here but had hard time to adapt.

Technically he was still one of the best of our team and he was shining when gaining playing time. But his problem is that he was injured a lot, he was not adapted to the physical dimension of the french league. He should have come younger to really succeed.

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