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Post by zizzle Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:50 pm

Napoli president Aurelio De Laurentiis has announced the club have signed Universidad de Chile star Eduardo Vargas.

The details of the deal have not been revealed by either side, but reports suggest the Serie A outfit paid a fee in the region of €13.5 million to land the Copa Sudamericana top goalscorer.

The 22-year-old, who had been linked with Inter and Chelsea, forced his way into the Chile national team after some impressive performances, making six appearances under coach Claudio Borghi in 2011.


http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2011/12/23/2815804/napoli-announce-signing-of-universidad-de-chiles-eduardo
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Post by Lord Hades Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:59 pm

so not only did chelsea not sign him but he is going to try and dent their cl ambitions now !!! wow
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Post by Le Samourai Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:00 pm

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Post by S Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:00 pm

I havent seen him play but signing for 13.5 m from South America ,i reckon he must be pretty good.
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Post by Raptorgunner Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:11 pm

So you saying Chelsea is in trouble now? Very Happy
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Post by The Franchise Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:15 pm

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:20 pm

What is it with Chileans producing great talent for pretty much their first time in history? Harhar wanna clue us in? Razz
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Post by Sina Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:24 pm

Tim Vickery made a talent scout on him in world soccer magazine January 2012 issue if haven't read yet and want to more about him
just saying Smile
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Post by windkick Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:30 pm

Who does this guy play like? Is he compared to what player...Alexis Sanchez or some one like that?
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Post by nichabr Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:31 pm

looks really old school AM from what ive seen...movements wise that is.
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Post by The Franchise Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:32 pm

windkick wrote:Who does this guy play like? Is he compared to what player...Alexis Sanchez or some one like that?

I read, less technical but more direct version of Sanchez.

But im always suspect about comparisons to other players.
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Post by windkick Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:33 pm

Yea judging from the clip he looks too be pretty good. He should fit in nicely at Napoli
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:37 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:What is it with Chileans producing great talent for pretty much their first time in history? Harhar wanna clue us in? Razz

It's the Bielsa effect
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:38 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:What is it with Chileans producing great talent for pretty much their first time in history? Harhar wanna clue us in? Razz

It's the Bielsa effect
Are we really going to attribute Chile producing great players to Bielsa? My, what a team Bilbao will have in 4 years then Razz
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Post by The Franchise Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:41 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:What is it with Chileans producing great talent for pretty much their first time in history? Harhar wanna clue us in? Razz

It's the Bielsa effect

Seriously, I do read he has had an impact. His style (high pressing, fast, dynamic yet technical) is being adopted more and more it seems.

"The club of the moment? Universidad de Chile: sweeping up trophies in their domestic league, unbeaten in 35 games, and this week crowned Copa Sudamericana champions, their first ever continental title.

More interesting than their success has been their style of play. Coming 18 months after Marcelo Bielsa took Chile to the World Cup having played dynamic, quick football with heavy pressing, usually in a 3-3-1-3 formation, his fellow Argentine Jorge Sampaoli is doing something similar.

“Their style of play is an indication that Marcelo Bielsa planted some interesting seeds in Chilean football,” says Tim Vickery. “Sampaoli is a Bielsa disciple.” According to Gabriele Marcotti in The Times, Sampaoli is “at the training ground by half past 8 and doesn’t leave before 9 at night. And, when he does go home, he sits in bed watching (football) DVDs and doing video analysis on his computer”, reminiscent of Bielsa’s habit of living in a room at the Chilean FA’s headquarters away from his family and compiling video databases of his players and opponents.

The basic Bielsa template is apparent. Sampaoli uses three at the back and his side attack very directly, with various players making forward runs towards goal and plenty ending up in the penalty area.

There are significant differences between Bielsa’s Chile and Sampaoli’s Universidad de Chile, however. Sampaoli seems more pragmatic than Bielsa. Although Bielsa would switch between a back three and a back four depending upon the opponent’s formation and always maintain his ‘un enganche y tres puntas’ upfront, Sampaoli changes formation more. Reviewing his recent formations (mainly courtesy of Joel Sked’s excellent site about Chilean football) shows how much variation there is. "
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:42 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:What is it with Chileans producing great talent for pretty much their first time in history? Harhar wanna clue us in? Razz

It's the Bielsa effect
Are we really going to attribute Chile producing great players to Bielsa? My, what a team Bilbao will have in 4 years then Razz

Bielsa changed Chile's philosophy the way Cruyff did Barca's Very Happy
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Post by Ganso Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:43 pm

hes a SS type of player,i guess he can play on the wings.Ive seen him in the past sudamericana,the guy is a beast
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Post by Gil Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:47 pm

Very direct. Reminds me of a less technical version of Aguero.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:47 pm

Is Vargas better than Nerman? hmm


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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:48 pm

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St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:What is it with Chileans producing great talent for pretty much their first time in history? Harhar wanna clue us in? Razz

It's the Bielsa effect

Seriously, I do read he has had an impact. His style (high pressing, fast, dynamic yet technical) is being adopted more and more it seems.

"The club of the moment? Universidad de Chile: sweeping up trophies in their domestic league, unbeaten in 35 games, and this week crowned Copa Sudamericana champions, their first ever continental title.

More interesting than their success has been their style of play. Coming 18 months after Marcelo Bielsa took Chile to the World Cup having played dynamic, quick football with heavy pressing, usually in a 3-3-1-3 formation, his fellow Argentine Jorge Sampaoli is doing something similar.

“Their style of play is an indication that Marcelo Bielsa planted some interesting seeds in Chilean football,” says Tim Vickery. “Sampaoli is a Bielsa disciple.” According to Gabriele Marcotti in The Times, Sampaoli is “at the training ground by half past 8 and doesn’t leave before 9 at night. And, when he does go home, he sits in bed watching (football) DVDs and doing video analysis on his computer”, reminiscent of Bielsa’s habit of living in a room at the Chilean FA’s headquarters away from his family and compiling video databases of his players and opponents.

The basic Bielsa template is apparent. Sampaoli uses three at the back and his side attack very directly, with various players making forward runs towards goal and plenty ending up in the penalty area.

There are significant differences between Bielsa’s Chile and Sampaoli’s Universidad de Chile, however. Sampaoli seems more pragmatic than Bielsa. Although Bielsa would switch between a back three and a back four depending upon the opponent’s formation and always maintain his ‘un enganche y tres puntas’ upfront, Sampaoli changes formation more. Reviewing his recent formations (mainly courtesy of Joel Sked’s excellent site about Chilean football) shows how much variation there is. "

I remember reading this piece. Seriously, Bielsa must be the biggest gem of a coach out there
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Post by S Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:49 pm

tbh most of these new wave of Chilean talents are very direct players.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:55 pm

It's one thing to claim that Bielsa has had an impact in Chile's tactics, and that he has had a positive influence on the players he has worked with, but to claim that Chile's current run of good-to-great players is his contribution is an exaggeration. There must be something structural at work to make Chile start producing talents like this, they are traditionally one of the weakest teams in South America: they only have 1 libertadores to their name, they've never won a Copa America, and the last five world cups they played in have been 2010, 1998, 1982, 1974, and 1966 (granted they were banned from 1990 and 94, but this hardly shows consistency). Lately though, they are producing players like Sanchez, Isla, Vidal, Gary Medel, Vargas, etc. Not all are great, but considerably better than they've had in the past.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:02 pm

Also, for Bielsa lovers, 5 good anecdotes:

http://www.canchallena.com/1434208-las-cinco-mejores-anecdotas-de-bielsa
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Post by Ganso Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:07 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Is Vargas better than Nerman? hmm
not libertadores proven :coffee:
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Post by The Franchise Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:31 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:It's one thing to claim that Bielsa has had an impact in Chile's tactics, and that he has had a positive influence on the players he has worked with, but to claim that Chile's current run of good-to-great players is his contribution is an exaggeration. There must be something structural at work to make Chile start producing talents like this, they are traditionally one of the weakest teams in South America: they only have 1 libertadores to their name, they've never won a Copa America, and the last five world cups they played in have been 2010, 1998, 1982, 1974, and 1966 (granted they were banned from 1990 and 94, but this hardly shows consistency). Lately though, they are producing players like Sanchez, Isla, Vidal, Gary Medel, Vargas, etc. Not all are great, but considerably better than they've had in the past.

No question thats true, but the style of play is clearly impacting the type of play that is coming out. Your right though, talent production is different, not Bielsa´s doing of course.

I would say though, as good as this current crop are none are as good as Salas was and Zamerano was no bum either.




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