jibers wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

Doc wrote:Why are we talking about murder? Did Suarez murder someone now?

Ah Doc, your ever kind, reasonable and calm presence was needed here within this thread quite a long time ago. But now as its in its final embers, I would advise you to not participate in a debate in which is akin to talking to large brick wall.

It'll be a waste of your time, this I can guarantee.

But who am I to advise. lol

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

Doc wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

Doc wrote:Why are we talking about murder? Did Suarez murder someone now?

Ah Doc, your ever kind, reasonable and calm presence was needed here within this thread quite a long time ago. But now as its in its final embers, I would advise you to not participate in a debate in which is akin to talking to large brick wall.

It'll be a waste of your time, this I can guarantee.

But who am I to advise. lol

After reading 30 pages, yes I read 30 pages of opinions, I think I may have some sort of opinion on this matter.

First off, Liverpool have 14 days to appeal and can very well get the banned over turned. This whole thing is a mixture of cultural differences, political correctness and some rather weird decisions from the upper echelons of English football.

The cultural differences with the word "negrito" have been explained thoroughly on this thread. As dear Nigral wrote, negrito in South America isn't a racial slur nor an insult, it's an endearing term apparently. The problem there is the "negro" part of the word (despite the word "negro" not even forming part of the word but the human mind works funny sometimes). It is very easy to presume Evra hearing that word and thinking "WTF he just called me?" considering he isn't from Uruguay nor has any knowledge of life in a South America country. And thus, (assuming Evra's character) Evra pulls out the race card as he deems that word offensive. And here is where political correctness comes into play.

While I know many of you have experienced some level of discrimination, historically, Black people have been targeted constantly, even from their own. So as someone from who is from a black family and did Caribbean History as a 2nd major, I can understand how these words can be mighty offensive to alot of black people. Even if the intent had no malice at all, it something that could send one's blood boiling. Remnants of fire hoses, German Shepherds, "boy", back of the bus and of course, 400 years of free labour and all that jazz. With that said, the political correctness that is taking place with the FA is insane. Jesus Christ, a simple research and warning would have easily suffice but no, they had to make a big deal out of something that isn't a big deal. Yes, there are MUCH worse things that has been done to black people than calling them "negrito" over and over (apparently). Where are the calm heads in the FA? The ones that would sit down and tell everyone to relax and handle this delicately.

And now for the FA themselves to which I put all the blame on. Yes Utd fans and Anti-Racist Warriors (elmystique?), the FA f'ed this up so badly. Now, if two people have an argument that no one else heard, how does one have evidence to charge ONE person over the other? How does one word supersede the other in such a harsh manner? I hope the English FA have some platinum evidence because this could turn out really badly for them. I know they want to show face when it comes racism in football but this isn't some issue with a player swearing in front of a camera, racism is not black and white. It has many forms, many approaches that it requires a lot more guile than just to ban anyone who says something "racist" because someone says it's racist. This bullish manner is not gonna cut it and I believe either the ban would be over turned or Liverpool is gonna drag the FA through the courts.

That ends my rant on this. Don't think it's popular nor legible but one tries...

I wrote that on page 30. Yes, I've been reading this thread since the start.

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

heated rival game clash

Evra insults Suarez's nationality

Suarez replies with a racial slur.... and claims he did not have the intent

seriously how stupid can you get?

TetraHydroC 10 wrote:

jibers wrote:

JuvenelCuore, when did they decide to let you back?

TetraHydroC 10 wrote:

jibers wrote:

JuvenelCuore, when did they decide to let you back?

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

heated rival game clash

Evra insults Suarez's nationality

Suarez replies with a racial slur.... and claims he did not have the intent

seriously how stupid can you get?

How stupid can you get?

The top of the range would be Einsten/Da Vinci type IQs

The rock bottom end of the range is elmystique

Lord Spencer wrote:Dear elm, it cannot be reconstructed into a murder case.

The closer it can get is accidental murders that happened due to differences in the metric and English systems (which are plenty) and the courts ruled it as an accidant and which was of the leading reason foreign engineers gettrained extentivly on the English system in the U.S. when they first work there.

elmystique wrote:
please explain to me that if racism comes in **bleep** degrees then what about murder?

in the end someone died right but it sure must not hurt because after all the murderer only used a needle instead of a dagger or a stabbing knife.

Its ironical how u claim there's stupidity on people's part but didn't read your own post twice...

elmystique wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

heated rival game clash

Evra insults Suarez's nationality

Suarez replies with a racial slur.... and claims he did not have the intent

seriously how stupid can you get?

How stupid can you get?

The top of the range would be Einsten/Da Vinci type IQs

The rock bottom end of the range is elmystique

you see unlike lord_spencer and co who have something to say, you have none and only resort to insults...

and I will not like to be embroiled in any insults with you so keep going...

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

heated rival game clash

Evra insults Suarez's nationality

Suarez replies with a racial slur.... and claims he did not have the intent

seriously how stupid can you get?

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:Dear elm, it cannot be reconstructed into a murder case.

The closer it can get is accidental murders that happened due to differences in the metric and English systems (which are plenty) and the courts ruled it as an accidant and which was of the leading reason foreign engineers gettrained extentivly on the English system in the U.S. when they first work there.

as a great measure don't you think Suarez should have enlightened himself better whilst working in England/Europe?

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

heated rival game clash

Evra insults Suarez's nationality

Suarez replies with a racial slur.... and claims he did not have the intent

seriously how stupid can you get?

Suarez's camp did not say Evra said anything to him, so your scenario is just rumors.

So, unless they come up and say it then your argument is void.

My argument is based on the whole premise of the world Negrito, such as it is suspended from any other sentaces. Since Evra did not provide any context to the argument.

Let me humor you and consider the situation above.

Both would and should not get fined anything beyond the fines given to unsporting behaviour. Since both are NOT racists, and both insulted each other in a heated match as players often do.

Also, since we have no context then we cannot accuratly judge on the case above.

Evra coul have said to Suare you dive like a South American and he could have responded like whati s the problem with being South American Negrito.

And we have 100 times now shown that Negrito = mate in South American culture, and if you don't understand that then God help you because you can't help yourself.

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

heated rival game clash

Evra insults Suarez's nationality

Suarez replies with a racial slur.... and claims he did not have the intent

seriously how stupid can you get?

Suarez's camp did not say Evra said anything to him, so your scenario is just rumors.

So, unless they come up and say it then your argument is void.

My argument is based on the whole premise of the world Negrito, such as it is suspended from any other sentaces. Since Evra did not provide any context to the argument.

Let me humor you and consider the situation above.

Both would and should not get fined anything beyond the fines given to unsporting behaviour. Since both are NOT racists, and both insulted each other in a heated match as players often do.

Also, since we have no context then we cannot accuratly judge on the case above.

Evra coul have said to Suare you dive like a South American and he could have responded like whati s the problem with being South American Negrito.

And we have 100 times now shown that Negrito = mate in South American culture, and if you don't understand that then God help you because you can't help yourself.

I understand what you want to mean as I have heard it so many times, I appreciate how you wanna debate [unlike irish_catalan]

but what if Evra heard what "negrito" means in the dictionary and not what it is meant to mean in South America? [which is only natural and a 100% enough evidence to ban Suarez for if "PROVEN" he said that]

understand where am coming from...

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Good God, how stupid can your arguments get.

Monkey chants = Racial profiling in Italy.

Therefore there is obvious intent.

Negriot =/= Racial profiling in Uruguay.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt that Suarez has no intent.

Therefore, Monkey chants =/= Negrioto.
Juve case =/= Suarez's case.

heated rival game clash

Evra insults Suarez's nationality

Suarez replies with a racial slur.... and claims he did not have the intent

seriously how stupid can you get?

Suarez's camp did not say Evra said anything to him, so your scenario is just rumors.

So, unless they come up and say it then your argument is void.

My argument is based on the whole premise of the world Negrito, such as it is suspended from any other sentaces. Since Evra did not provide any context to the argument.

Let me humor you and consider the situation above.

Both would and should not get fined anything beyond the fines given to unsporting behaviour. Since both are NOT racists, and both insulted each other in a heated match as players often do.

Also, since we have no context then we cannot accuratly judge on the case above.

Evra coul have said to Suare you dive like a South American and he could have responded like whati s the problem with being South American Negrito.

And we have 100 times now shown that Negrito = mate in South American culture, and if you don't understand that then God help you because you can't help yourself.

I understand what you want to mean as I have heard it so many times, I appreciate how you wanna debate [unlike irish_catalan]

but what if Evra heard what "negrito" means in the dictionary and not what it is meant to mean in South America? [which is only natural and a 100% enough evidence to ban Suarez for if "PROVEN" he said that]

understand where am coming from...

Former Liverpool star John Barnes has branded the Luis Suarez racism case a "witch hunt" after the Uruguayan forward was banned for eight games for using "insulting language".

The former England international endured racial abuse throughout his time as a player but has defended the Uruguayan insisting that"cultural differences have to be taken into consideration".

Barnes told BBC Radio Merseyside: "From a cultural point of view, [Suarez] has been backed by people from Uruguay saying the word he used is not deemed as a racist term.
"As much as we will say that ignorance is no excuse, ignorance is an excuse.

"Twenty years ago in England, the same people in England now condemning him were ignorant as to what racism is. Why don't they condemn themselves?"

The 48-year-old went on to say that whilst discrimination of any kind should be punished, there needs to be rules put in place to ensure consistency.

He said: "When Manchester United play Liverpool and 10,000 United fans are saying 'you Scouse thieves', I'd like them all to be banned.

"And Liverpool fans too, when they say 'you Manc or whatever'. So where are we going to draw the line? Racism has to be zero tolerance but this is now a witch hunt.

"By admitting [what he said], he obviously didn't feel that what he said was that significant.
"Because he could easily have gotten away with it by saying 'I never said a word'."

McLewis wrote:Well....finally got through all 45 pages.

Lord Spencer did an excellent job with his post. Doc, jibers and THC as well. I share their sentiments completely on this matter so I don't really have much to add.

I am rather disappointed with what I've read here...especially from some normally mild-tempered posters. I know this incident hits home for some of you, on both sides of the issue, but we need to be rational here. Absolutely no reason for insults and mud-slinging. As seen with Devil-Is-Red....we WILL come down hard on such actions.