ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.

ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.

Lord Spencer wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

please explain to me that if racism comes in **bleep** degrees then what about murder?

in the end someone died right but it sure must not hurt because after all the murderer only used a needle instead of a dagger or a stabbing knife.

Its ironical how u claim there's stupidity on people's part but didn't read your own post twice...

You are unbelievable. Of course there are degrees to it. Everything isn't black or white.

Do you actually believe murder is murder and thats it because in the end someone died right? This is so unbelievable to see someone present such a argument.

@elm, yes murder comes in degrees.

Based on the country, but roughly there are three degrees.

Accidental Manslaughter; car accidents and such.

Murder without Intent, punching someone in an argument and them dying from the fall.

Murder with intent; self explanetory.

And then, there is tortureous murder, which is worse than swift murder. You can shoot someone one once, or you can stab them 100 times before you kill them.

So yes, Murder comes in fraking degrees, and you obviously shown everyone how stupid you are.

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.

On the previous page he said this

"it irks me to see people standing by him even though they know what he did is wrong......"

like how can someone argue for 41 pages and then come out with that whopper

elmystique wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.

I think you are not trying to put the current circumstance in the discussion

I hit you with a stick therefore you murdered me with a needle.

You'll not be charged with murder cos you were defending yourself right?

elmystique wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.

On the previous page he said this

"it irks me to see people standing by him even though they know what he did is wrong......"

like how can someone argue for 41 pages and then come out with that whopper

you can keep honking sh*t all you want but please if you have nothing to say, stop following me around quoting me and spewing sh*t...

Lord Spencer wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

please explain to me that if racism comes in **bleep** degrees then what about murder?

in the end someone died right but it sure must not hurt because after all the murderer only used a needle instead of a dagger or a stabbing knife.

Its ironical how u claim there's stupidity on people's part but didn't read your own post twice...

You are unbelievable. Of course there are degrees to it. Everything isn't black or white.

Do you actually believe murder is murder and thats it because in the end someone died right? This is so unbelievable to see someone present such a argument.

@elm, yes murder comes in degrees.

Based on the country, but roughly there are three degrees.

Accidental Manslaughter; car accidents and such.

Murder without Intent, punching someone in an argument and them dying from the fall.

Murder with intent; self explanetory.

And then, there is tortureous murder, which is worse than swift murder. You can shoot someone one once, or you can stab them 100 times before you kill them.

So yes, Murder comes in fraking degrees, and you obviously shown everyone how stupid you are.

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Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.

On the previous page he said this

"it irks me to see people standing by him even though they know what he did is wrong......"

like how can someone argue for 41 pages and then come out with that whopper

you can keep honking sh*t all you want but please if you have nothing to say, stop following me around quoting me and spewing sh*t...

Do you even realise what is wrong with that statement?

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

please explain to me that if racism comes in **bleep** degrees then what about murder?

in the end someone died right but it sure must not hurt because after all the murderer only used a needle instead of a dagger or a stabbing knife.

Its ironical how u claim there's stupidity on people's part but didn't read your own post twice...

You are unbelievable. Of course there are degrees to it. Everything isn't black or white.

Do you actually believe murder is murder and thats it because in the end someone died right? This is so unbelievable to see someone present such a argument.

@elm, yes murder comes in degrees.

Based on the country, but roughly there are three degrees.

Accidental Manslaughter; car accidents and such.

Murder without Intent, punching someone in an argument and them dying from the fall.

Murder with intent; self explanetory.

And then, there is tortureous murder, which is worse than swift murder. You can shoot someone one once, or you can stab them 100 times before you kill them.

So yes, Murder comes in fraking degrees, and you obviously shown everyone how stupid you are.

you are the one who is showing everyone how stupid and one-sided you are.

This is the situation

Evra calls insults Suarez's nationality [which I in no way support and think if found guilty, he deserves a ban as well] therefore he uses a racial slur on him.

Put that in a murder situation and create a scenario will you...

Doc wrote:Why are we talking about murder? Did Suarez murder someone now?

ragbirjosh wrote:Fine.......even from that perspective.Ever heard of Manslaughter.........yes not everyone who kills a man is charged with murder you Know.Have a read.

Manslaughter is a legal term for the killing of a human being, in a manner considered by law as less culpable than murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

Arquitecto wrote:

Doc wrote:Why are we talking about murder? Did Suarez murder someone now?

Ah Doc, your ever kind, reasonable and calm presence was needed here within this thread quite a long time ago. But now as its in its final embers, I would advise you to not participate in a debate in which is akin to talking to large brick wall.

It'll be a waste of your time, this I can guarantee.

But who am I to advise. lol

elmystique wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.

On the previous page he said this

"it irks me to see people standing by him even though they know what he did is wrong......"

like how can someone argue for 41 pages and then come out with that whopper

you can keep honking sh*t all you want but please if you have nothing to say, stop following me around quoting me and spewing sh*t...

Do you even realise what is wrong with that statement?

nope and you can keep quoting me all you want, I will just not have time to notice anymore...

elmystique wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:El Mystique... You truly are an intriguing man. Its quite clear you are suffering from some sort of comprehension problems or disability to sort out and process information. Or your just trolling.

Point is, after aggravating more than 5 posters with your nonsense, kindly take a break from this thread to clear your head.

how have I aggravated anyone, and even if I did, I could careless.

am all for poolsupporter's view that until Suarez has been found to have used the slur, all we are arguing about is nonsense

but what happens if he used it, how will all those arguing for Suarez feel now?

tell me do you honestly feel Suarez should be let off because he did not have the intent?

what next, the Juve fans [of which am one] will all claim they did not have the intent to monkey chant Balotelli and it'd sound logical.

How hard is it to comprehend this?

Lord Spencer wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

please explain to me that if racism comes in **bleep** degrees then what about murder?

in the end someone died right but it sure must not hurt because after all the murderer only used a needle instead of a dagger or a stabbing knife.

Its ironical how u claim there's stupidity on people's part but didn't read your own post twice...

You are unbelievable. Of course there are degrees to it. Everything isn't black or white.

Do you actually believe murder is murder and thats it because in the end someone died right? This is so unbelievable to see someone present such a argument.

@elm, yes murder comes in degrees.

Based on the country, but roughly there are three degrees.

Accidental Manslaughter; car accidents and such.

Murder without Intent, punching someone in an argument and them dying from the fall.

Murder with intent; self explanetory.

And then, there is tortureous murder, which is worse than swift murder. You can shoot someone one once, or you can stab them 100 times before you kill them.

So yes, Murder comes in fraking degrees, and you obviously shown everyone how stupid you are.

you are the one who is showing everyone how stupid and one-sided you are.

This is the situation

Evra calls insults Suarez's nationality [which I in no way support and think if found guilty, he deserves a ban as well] therefore he uses a racial slur on him.

Put that in a murder situation and create a scenario will you...

And you are the multisided one???

elm, I am an expert on this subject, and as such am much more qualified than you who thinks murder is a single degree case to make a judgment. I gave an argument in which you responded to no single point satisfactorly or at all.

At no point did I even mention Evra's response, and I would give him the same defense if he did say so because he would not know it was perceived as racial taunting in South America.Seriously elm, are you even reading the other's posts.

Arquitecto wrote:Ah Doc, your ever kind, reasonable and calm presence was needed here within this thread quite a long time ago. But now as its in its final embers, I would advise you to not participate in a debate in which is akin to talking to large brick wall.

It'll be a waste of your time, this I can guarantee.

But who am I to advise. lol

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