Arquitecto wrote:While I appreciate KSA's kind words, I can't help but guiltily find the pic quite funny.

I think its mostly because the photoshop work is so well done along with that Suarez looks adorable in the hat.

But tasteless stuff from the boys at Redcafe nonetheless.

Arquitecto wrote:While I appreciate KSA's kind words, I can't help but guiltily find the pic quite funny.

I think its mostly because the photoshop work is so well done along with that Suarez looks adorable in the hat.

But tasteless stuff from the boys at Redcafe nonetheless.

poolsupporter wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:While I appreciate KSA's kind words, I can't help but guiltily find the pic quite funny.

I think its mostly because the photoshop work is so well done along with that Suarez looks adorable in the hat.

But tasteless stuff from the boys at Redcafe nonetheless.

I'm sorry. How can United supporters laugh at that and then have any credibility in an argument of this sort?

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:Oh ya and wait until the MODS are gone to post it. You despicable cretin

Devil-Is-Red wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:Oh ya and wait until the MODS are gone to post it. You despicable cretin

Take it easy mate, I've apologized and I admit what I did was wrong. Plus I had no idea whether the mods were here or not.

Merry xmas.

sukrut23 wrote:

The f.a. has made an example out of Suarez, but one has to understand that he cannot racially abuse people. IMO, he deserves the punishment handed out to him. He just cannot get away by saying he did not mean the term he said in a racist way.

Its sad to see people standing up for Suarez just because he is from Liv or they hate Man Utd or Evra, cos racism is a much bigger problem than the Liv- Man utd rivalry.

elmystique wrote:

sukrut23 wrote:

The f.a. has made an example out of Suarez, but one has to understand that he cannot racially abuse people. IMO, he deserves the punishment handed out to him. He just cannot get away by saying he did not mean the term he said in a racist way.

Its sad to see people standing up for Suarez just because he is from Liv or they hate Man Utd or Evra, cos racism is a much bigger problem than the Liv- Man utd rivalry.

^^

THIS.

it irks me to see people standing by him even though they know what he did is wrong......

you cannot use a racial slur [no matter what it means in your country or culture] on another person of a different cultural background in ANOTHER COUNTRY and claim you didn't know what it was wrong...

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

Devil-Is-Red wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:Oh ya and wait until the MODS are gone to post it. You despicable cretin

Take it easy mate, I've apologized and I admit what I did was wrong. Plus I had no idea whether the mods were here or not.

Merry xmas.

Whatever man. You have trolled us Liverpool fans hard over the last few days. You've been a total *bleep* tbf. But happy xmas all the same ya dickhead ya

poolsupporter wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:While I appreciate KSA's kind words, I can't help but guiltily find the pic quite funny.

I think its mostly because the photoshop work is so well done along with that Suarez looks adorable in the hat.

But tasteless stuff from the boys at Redcafe nonetheless.

I'm sorry. How can United supporters laugh at that and then have any credibility in an argument of this sort?

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

Devil-Is-Red wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

Devil-Is-Red wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:Oh ya and wait until the MODS are gone to post it. You despicable cretin

Take it easy mate, I've apologized and I admit what I did was wrong. Plus I had no idea whether the mods were here or not.

Merry xmas.

Whatever man. You have trolled us Liverpool fans hard over the last few days. You've been a total *bleep* tbf. But happy xmas all the same ya dickhead ya

Yeah it's getting out of hand....and the fact that it's a rival player adds a bit more hostility I guess. It shouldn't be like that. It's the reason why I removed that 'guilty' sig I had, cuz I realized it might rile up the LFC fans who I have no problem with (apart from one poster).

Anyone let's put the slanging match between us two behind us.

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

poolsupporter wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

That's what Evra called him.

This is amazing.........I have no words for the FA.

If it's true then it's clear racism...........I was callled that at times during my time in Spain.....so the most I can say is that it is a derogotary term used to describe Mestizos or Creoles in Latin Amerca and the Caribbean.

So I suppose a BLACK man can't be punished for racial remars, this is getting better and better . I have no words.

The word Evra used has not been confirmed anywhere. Let's not jump to conclusions.

ragbirjosh wrote:My god.........mod's i'll take the 25 %

Elmystique is a *bleep* asshole.

ragbirjosh wrote:Spencer's post should've been the end of this thread.

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

please explain to me that if racism comes in **bleep** degrees then what about murder?

in the end someone died right but it sure must not hurt because after all the murderer only used a needle instead of a dagger or a stabbing knife.

Its ironical how u claim there's stupidity on people's part but didn't read your own post twice...

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

elmystique wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:Good God, how did this thread get up to 39 pages of pure stupidity is beyond me. How stupid can people get.

I will break my argument to several points:

First, Is this Racism?

For the sake of the argument, let us assume Suarez called Evra not Negrito, but Nigger. To make my point, I would like to say that probably none of you have ever been racially abused so that suddenly you think that the word Nigger is something Racially dangerous. I, being a Shia in Saudi Arabia have been stabbed two times in account of being a Shia, beaten near death by 16 guys for daring to fight back, and was called to have a tail by the religion teacher .

That is Racism, football players calling each other names in a match is far from it. Racism is the degradation and prejudice against one based on Race or Identity (Religion, Sect, etc.) To say that Suarez is racist because he insulted Evra EVEN if he used a racially loaded slur is like saying the whole of the U.S is racist because they insist on calling Obama the first black president. It just doesn't make sense, especially since Suarez is from multicultural Uruguay and actually has a bloody black grandfather.

It really annoys me how much you guys cry racism when probably none of you have experienced it or are working in a field that involves it so much (International politics) like I do, so sod off on calling another person racist when he does not fall under the definition whatsoever, unless you know for certain that Suarez believes people of dark skin color are inferior. If you do not, then any court of law WILL find you guilty of defamation.

Conclusion, racially loaded insult are NOT enough to label someone as racist.

Note: Yes elm, Racism does indeed come in *bleep* degrees, just as EVERYTHING else does. Burns, disease, fraking race, and the bloody melatonin content. You arguing against that proves your abuse free existance in the U.S.

Second, Is Negrito Racially loaded?

Courtesy of my vast experience with South America due to my adventurous uncles and the good South Americans here is very obvious now that the Term is used in similar vain to mate. There is no argument there, it is simply fact that Negrito Is not ins anyway, shape, or form a racially loaded slur.

The question now is whether to carry term against Suarez based on English custom. However, not contract for ANY foregin workforce mandates the worker to customize himself with English custom, and as thus there was no law requiring bloody Suarez from learning bloody English WHICH HE DOES NOT SPEAK. Therefore, as learning another language is a basis of learning its Culture, Suarez was and is thinking in Spanish and therefore he was entirely in the realm of Spanish culture when e uttered the words.
Are the words racially loaded, NO. Did Suarez even speak them to insult, we don't know since all Evra said was he heard Negrito. Therefore, with all reasonable doubt, Suarez did not intend to use the word in its negative English usage, and the most he could get was insulting a riling up an opposing player.

Some say that Evra is not Suarez's friend and as such he wouldn't have used it in its mate capacity. This shows extreme stupidity in the part of the arguer here. I am not the friend of the bloody grocery store cashier and yet he tells me to have a good day negrito, I am not the friend of the bloody hotel Manager but he tell me to have a good night negrito (in Brazil, 2007). We are not fraking friends but we use the word mate, because its is better than saying hey person.

Conclusion, judging Suarez based on English custom is bigoted law with no reasonable logic behind it. The FA are making fools of themselves and any English court will be in Suarez side.

Third, Is the Sentence fair?

Suarez is either Racist and used a Racist term in purpose, or he is not and used what can be conceived a racist term by mistake.

The FA took a cowardly way out by giving a punishment that suited neither. Either judge Suarez to be a racist and ban him for life or upon successful rehabilitation. Or judge him not racist and teach him where he erred and give him a token fine.

By choosing neither, they refused to call Suarez racist and refused to call him not a racist which defames the player and is of no sense legally whatsoever. Simply put, it is either a permanent ban or a token fine, any other punishment is a cowards way out.

In Conclusion, Suarez is not a racist by any stretch of the imagination and anyone saying he is a is a bloody bigoted idiot. The when in Rome adage is an ancient and xenophobic proverb, and in our global society, people need to be taught what is done in Rome instead of being expected to learn it.

The argument some imbecile said about if it is alright to kill people if your culture said it's alright. That is a moronic idea, because no single current culture encourages or condones killing in any way shape or form, with the exception of the rouge terrorist cultures like Al Qaeda.

The FA are bloody cowards who are stepping on their own toes, and the people condoning Suarez are as narrow as Chinese finger traps.

Goog god, read a book, or use your bloody brain. It dies of malusage.

P.S: I feelfor you Che, good job mate.

please explain to me that if racism comes in **bleep** degrees then what about murder?

in the end someone died right but it sure must not hurt because after all the murderer only used a needle instead of a dagger or a stabbing knife.

Its ironical how u claim there's stupidity on people's part but didn't read your own post twice...

You are unbelievable. Of course there are degrees to it. Everything isn't black or white.

Do you actually believe murder is murder and thats it because in the end someone died right? This is so unbelievable to see someone present such a argument.

ragbirjosh wrote:1st off your definition of racial slur of wrong

Your degrees of murder argument is ridiculous............there is self defence.......there are crimes of passion etc which all merit differing degrees of punishment.

After 42 pages and god knows how many posts you've realised that everthnig you based your argument on was an ignorant assumption on your part.

But I have low standars.