if they take it to court yh

but they have to have proper evidence to back up their clame

halamadrid2 wrote:if they take it to court yh

but they have to have proper evidence to back up their clame

I am just mad that the FA did such a poor job in this case. No investigation, no reason given, no evidence shown. If they had done it properly, then they would have slapped a ban on Evra too for insulting, which is apparently the reason for half of Suarez's ban.

halamadrid2 wrote:if they take it to court yh

but they have to have proper evidence to back up their clame

They don't need much evidence, they only need to establish reasonable doubt, it is the FA that needs to establish a case without doubt.

Suarez is the defense, and he has the benefit of doubt.

they need both to do it and then make a conclusion based on both parties evidences

EDIT: Pool are the ones taking them to court for whatever reason so they need evidence to back up whatever they say...and if they do have conclusive evidence, its then up to FA to come up with their own evidence to justify their actions

Lord Spencer wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:if they take it to court yh

but they have to have proper evidence to back up their clame

They don't need much evidence, they only need to establish reasonable doubt, it is the FA that needs to establish a case without doubt.

Suarez is the defense, and he has the benefit of doubt.

I am not sure I am following you here. First of all, this is a civil case, not a criminal case, so the burden of proof does not have to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold (and there is no such thing as "no doubt" btw). And that applies for both parties.

Secondly, the defendant here is not Suarez, Liverpool/Suarez are both the plaintiffs as they are the ones launching the case. The defendants are the FA.

Also one more thing, ignorance of the law (or "ignorantia juris non excusat") is not a reasonable defense in common law.

Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

I don't think there is. It's a spanish (from spain) word used to refer derogatively to south americans.

A close translation would be an american calling a mexican a wetback.

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

That's what Evra called him.

This is amazing.........I have no words for the FA.

If it's true then it's clear racism...........I was callled that at times during my time in Spain.....so the most I can say is that it is a derogotary term used to describe Mestizos or Creoles in Latin Amerca and the Caribbean.

So I suppose a BLACK man can't be punished for racial remars, this is getting better and better . I have no words.

ragbirjosh wrote:

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

That's what Evra called him.

This is amazing.........I have no words for the FA.

If it's true then it's clear racism...........I was callled that at times during my time in Spain.....so the most I can say is that it is a derogotary term used to describe Mestizos or Creoles in Latin Amerca and the Caribbean.

So I suppose a BLACK man can't be punished for racial remars, this is getting better and better . I have no words.

The word Evra used has not been confirmed anywhere. Let's not jump to conclusions.

Seppuku wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:if they take it to court yh

but they have to have proper evidence to back up their clame

They don't need much evidence, they only need to establish reasonable doubt, it is the FA that needs to establish a case without doubt.

Suarez is the defense, and he has the benefit of doubt.

I am not sure I am following you here. First of all, this is a civil case, not a criminal case, so the burden of proof does not have to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold (and there is no such thing as "no doubt" btw). And that applies for both parties.

Secondly, the defendant here is not Suarez, Liverpool/Suarez are both the plaintiffs as they are the ones launching the case. The defendants are the FA.

Also one more thing, ignorance of the law (or "ignorantia juris non excusat") is not a reasonable defense in common law.

Nonetheless, it is the FA that are accusing Suarez of Civil misconduct; i.e they are the offense. What Pool would do is force the FA to accuse them in a court and they wil defend the allegation.

Suarez, being the defendant only needs a reasonable doubt to whether he is a racist or not, and/or whether he inteded to be racis or not.

Amd while ignorance of the law would not hold any water, ignorance of the social norm sure as hell would, especially when the word being discussed is as common as mate in South America.

poolsupporter wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

That's what Evra called him.

This is amazing.........I have no words for the FA.

If it's true then it's clear racism...........I was callled that at times during my time in Spain.....so the most I can say is that it is a derogotary term used to describe Mestizos or Creoles in Latin Amerca and the Caribbean.

So I suppose a BLACK man can't be punished for racial remars, this is getting better and better . I have no words.

The word Evra used has not been confirmed anywhere. Let's not jump to conclusions.

O. I thought Sepi had confirmed it.

Anyway.....what Suarez said hasn't been confirmed either.....but I suppose we have all jumped to conclusions.

@Spencer BTW , good insight........

ragbirjosh wrote:

poolsupporter wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

That's what Evra called him.

This is amazing.........I have no words for the FA.

If it's true then it's clear racism...........I was callled that at times during my time in Spain.....so the most I can say is that it is a derogotary term used to describe Mestizos or Creoles in Latin Amerca and the Caribbean.

So I suppose a BLACK man can't be punished for racial remars, this is getting better and better . I have no words.

The word Evra used has not been confirmed anywhere. Let's not jump to conclusions.

O. I thought Sepi had confirmed it.

Anyway.....what Suarez said hasn't been confirmed either.....but I suppose we have all jumped to conclusions.

@Spencer BTW , good insight........

Most people are pretty sure of what Suarez said, but you are right in that it still has to be confirmed. (Can't wait for the FA's statements and evidence) The Liverpool statement did mention that Evra admitted to saying something offensive that started this whole debacle. I'm not going to jump on his back and start the Evra hate on here unless it is confirmed. In fact even if it is confirmed I won't.

Ill just lay it out there -

Liverpool are not defending a racist, they are defending a player who has been unfairly treated & labelled something he isn't, without evidence.

Sepi wrote:Can a southamerican enlighten me what is equivalent english version of "Sudaca" ?

It's like calling an Indian a "Sammy".

That's *bleep* low. Take that shit down.

Devil-Is-Red wrote:From RedCafe:

[Unacceptable]

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Roflllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Devil-Is-Red wrote:From RedCafe:

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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

*bleep* off you troll

you should be banned

Devil-Is-Red wrote:From RedCafe:

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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

What an arrogant man you are.

Truly showed your true colours, ignoring the racism of your own player.

Shame, it had to end like this......

You said White trash is racist....now you are ignoring Sudaca

Sorry lads, I'll take it down. I don't want problems with the many top LFC posters on this foum like Sepi, Arq, Poolsupporter and co.

My bad.

That's not funny dude, don't even joke about the KKK.

Looooool

LOOOOOOOL that pic.

LMAAAAO @ the picture.

While I appreciate KSA's kind words, I can't help but guiltily find the pic quite funny.

I think its mostly because the photoshop work is so well done along with that Suarez looks adorable in the hat.

But tasteless stuff from the boys at Redcafe nonetheless.

Oh ya and wait until the MODS are gone to post it. You despicable cretin

Arquitecto wrote:While I appreciate KSA's kind words, I can't help but guiltily find the pic quite funny.

I think its mostly because the photoshop work is so well done along with that Suarez looks adorable in the hat.

But tasteless stuff from the boys at Redcafe nonetheless.