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Post by everest1 Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:05 pm

lol this is so, so, so, stupid.

calling someone negrito in latin america = not racist
calling someone "little black guy" in england = not racist
calling someone negrito in england = racist ???

scratch

has it been confirmed that suarez called him "negrito" and not something else that actually is racially derogatory? otherwise this seems like a bunch of fuss over nothing.

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Post by Le Samourai Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:06 pm

everest1 wrote:lol this is so, so, so, stupid.

calling someone negrito in latin america = not racist
calling someone "little black guy" in england = not racist
calling someone negrito in england = racist ???

scratch

has it been confirmed that suarez called him "negrito" and not something else that actually is racially derogatory? otherwise this seems like a bunch of fuss over nothing.
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Post by che Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:07 pm

negrito isn't "little black guy" anyway... there's no possible translation, the closest thing to it is probably "mate"...
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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:07 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
che wrote:
elmystique wrote:
after all

negrito = black and no harm

so black = English term for the color according to some...

negrito does not = black, negro = black

negrito is an endearing form (at least among friends), like pablito is for pablo

As usual, you continue to enlighten the genius' here but seeing as how people don't comprehend any of the corrections made by you or anyone else.... you'll have a long night.

It'll be funny to see his next response.

how about you give us the meaning of the term "negrito" top boss?
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Post by Nirgal Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:07 pm

elmystique wrote:
Nirgal wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Nirgal wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Nirgal wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Nirgal wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:I truly expected better responses from everyone here who is for the ban.

Really....Quite disappointing.

I'll give my thoughts in due time until then, ICS, Josh, Che, PS, Sep and the rest.

Job well done.

If you ever lived in Argentina or Uruguay you'd know that "negrito" is a common nickname and not a racist slur. People here expect everyone to know english speaking countries culture, but would not make a single try to understand others'

even if he made that comment in the Uruguayan league, surely you still wouldn't expect us to support him do you?

Not support him but understand what he meant.

u can try and understand someone who deliberately calls a black person "negrito"... Shocked

not understand the person. But understand the meaning of the word. why is it so difficult to understand that some words that are considered racist and offensive in some countries are not. The world is does not only revolves around english speaking countries. In spanish "negro" means black. "negrito" is the diminutive form of that word. And in Rioplatense spanish (of Argentina and Uruguay") the word is used as a nickname regardless of race and without any insulting connotations.

I wonder how it would feel if Rooney was running around a black Liverpool player and saying "Hey Black dude, black dude"

after all

negrito = black and no harm

so black = English term for the color according to some...

black dude is specifically used in the english language to refer to someone of a distinctive race.

"Negrito" in Argentina and Uruguay is not. You can call that a chinese guy, a swedish guy or someone from any race. It makes no difference.

And even in your hipothetical case it really doesn't seem offensive to me. Maybe in england it would be i don't know.

so Suarez forgot Evra's name? am sure he calls Johnson "negrito" too at training...

People use nicknames even if they know the other person name.

And Suarez could perfectly call johnson "negrito". It's not meant to be about race. You could be blonde and with blue eyes and no color in your skin and you would still be called negrito in argentina.


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Post by TheRedStag Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:07 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:I was just pointing out that replaying to this

"i'm appaled that everyone think words all over the world have the exact same connotation."

with

"where did he used to live...on a farm...isolated from all living organisms bar animals...jeeez"

is hardly the type of thing you'd expect to come from such a well educated man such as yourself.


isolated=never seen foreigners

living in a city=interacting with people of different races

reading between the lines its called

Whatever you say hala but I certainly think there is irony there. Razz

Also there would be a lot more living organisms other than animals on a farm.
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:08 pm

Pacheco calls Thiago negrito on twitter all the time hmm

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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:08 pm

everest1 wrote:lol this is so, so, so, stupid.

calling someone negrito in latin america = not racist
calling someone "little black guy" in england = not racist
calling someone negrito in england = racist ???

scratch

has it been confirmed that suarez called him "negrito" and not something else that actually is racially derogatory? otherwise this seems like a bunch of fuss over nothing.

has Suarez denied saying it?

and even if he did deny it, it is to be expected...
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Post by everest1 Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:09 pm

che wrote:negrito isn't "little black guy" anyway... there's no possible translation, the closest thing to it is probably "mate"...
haha, that just makes this entire debate even more ridiculous
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Post by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:09 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:I was just pointing out that replaying to this

"i'm appaled that everyone think words all over the world have the exact same connotation."

with

"where did he used to live...on a farm...isolated from all living organisms bar animals...jeeez"

is hardly the type of thing you'd expect to come from such a well educated man such as yourself.


isolated=never seen foreigners

living in a city=interacting with people of different races

reading between the lines its called

Whatever you say hala but I certainly think there is irony there. Razz

Also there would be a lot more living organisms other than animals on a farm.

hmm moving plants perhaps

/i kid
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Post by TheRedStag Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:10 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
aleumdance wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:seriously are people tryign to argue that suarez doesnt know that negrito or negro is offensive to black people.......gimme a break

FINALLY

Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said

Id love to see you try prove that

aleumdance. Can you please prove that Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said?
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:10 pm

elmystique wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
che wrote:
elmystique wrote:
after all

negrito = black and no harm

so black = English term for the color according to some...

negrito does not = black, negro = black

negrito is an endearing form (at least among friends), like pablito is for pablo

As usual, you continue to enlighten the genius' here but seeing as how people don't comprehend any of the corrections made by you or anyone else.... you'll have a long night.

It'll be funny to see his next response.

how about you give us the meaning of the term "negrito" top boss?

HOW MANY TIMES DO CHE AND EVERYONE ELSE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING TO YOU???
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Post by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:10 pm

from wiki

The Negrito are a class of several ethnic groups who inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia.[1]
Their current populations include 12 Andamanese peoples of the Andaman Islands, six Semang peoples of Malaysia, the Mani of Thailand, and the Aeta, Agta, Ati, and 30 other peoples of the Philippines. Reports from British traders also speak of negrito people on Borneo (Sarawak). (Journal of the Malayan Branch Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. XXIX, part 1, 1956)
Negritos share some common physical features with African pygmy populations, including short stature, natural afro-hair texture, and dark skin; however, their origin and the route of their migration to Asia is still a matter of great speculation. They are the most genetically distant human population from Africans at most loci studied thus far (except for MC1R, which codes for dark skin).
They have also been shown to have separated early from Asians, suggesting that they are either surviving descendants of settlers from an early migration out of Africa, commonly referred to as the Proto-Australoids, or that they are descendants of one of the founder populations of modern humans.[2]


The term "Negrito" is the Spanish diminutive of negro, i.e. "little black person", referring to their small stature, and was coined by early European explorers.[3]
Occasionally, some Negritos are referred to as pygmies, bundling them with peoples of similar physical stature in Central Africa, and likewise, the term Negrito was previously occasionally used to refer to African Pygmies.[4]
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Post by Nirgal Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:10 pm

che wrote:negrito isn't "little black guy" anyway... there's no possible translation, the closest thing to it is probably "mate"...

That's what I've been trying to tell, but nobody seems to care.

Literally it does mean little black, coloquially though It simply means dude, mate or fellow.
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Post by everest1 Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:10 pm

elmystique wrote:
everest1 wrote:lol this is so, so, so, stupid.

calling someone negrito in latin america = not racist
calling someone "little black guy" in england = not racist
calling someone negrito in england = racist ???

scratch

has it been confirmed that suarez called him "negrito" and not something else that actually is racially derogatory? otherwise this seems like a bunch of fuss over nothing.

has Suarez denied saying it?

and even if he did deny it, it is to be expected...
im not following your point...why would he deny it if its nothing to be ashamed of?
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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:11 pm

Sepi wrote:Pacheco calls Thiago negrito on twitter all the time hmm

Pacheco is friends with Thiago,

Suarez runs around an opposing team player and calls him "negrito"

no matter what negrito means, the intention is there
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Post by TheRedStag Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:11 pm

Sepi wrote:Pacheco calls Thiago negrito on twitter all the time hmm

Hernandez said it too right?

BAN THEM ALL
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Post by Grande_Milano Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:11 pm

If elmytisque and some ppl on here were in charge of political correctness policy, 99 per cent of Earth would go in jail.
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Post by aleumdance Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:12 pm

everest1 wrote:lol this is so, so, so, stupid.

calling someone negrito in latin america = not racist
calling someone "little black guy" in england = not racist
calling someone negrito in england = racist ???

scratch

has it been confirmed that suarez called him "negrito" and not something else that actually is racially derogatory? otherwise this seems like a bunch of fuss over nothing.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

that the whole point
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Post by Nirgal Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:12 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:from wiki

The Negrito are a class of several ethnic groups who inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia.[1]
Their current populations include 12 Andamanese peoples of the Andaman Islands, six Semang peoples of Malaysia, the Mani of Thailand, and the Aeta, Agta, Ati, and 30 other peoples of the Philippines. Reports from British traders also speak of negrito people on Borneo (Sarawak). (Journal of the Malayan Branch Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. XXIX, part 1, 1956)
Negritos share some common physical features with African pygmy populations, including short stature, natural afro-hair texture, and dark skin; however, their origin and the route of their migration to Asia is still a matter of great speculation. They are the most genetically distant human population from Africans at most loci studied thus far (except for MC1R, which codes for dark skin).
They have also been shown to have separated early from Asians, suggesting that they are either surviving descendants of settlers from an early migration out of Africa, commonly referred to as the Proto-Australoids, or that they are descendants of one of the founder populations of modern humans.[2]


The term "Negrito" is the Spanish diminutive of negro, i.e. "little black person", referring to their small stature, and was coined by early European explorers.[3]
Occasionally, some Negritos are referred to as pygmies, bundling them with peoples of similar physical stature in Central Africa, and likewise, the term Negrito was previously occasionally used to refer to African Pygmies.[4]

of course, Wiki will tell us native spanish speaker from Rio de la plata what the words we use "really" mean.
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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:13 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
che wrote:
elmystique wrote:
after all

negrito = black and no harm

so black = English term for the color according to some...

negrito does not = black, negro = black

negrito is an endearing form (at least among friends), like pablito is for pablo

As usual, you continue to enlighten the genius' here but seeing as how people don't comprehend any of the corrections made by you or anyone else.... you'll have a long night.

It'll be funny to see his next response.

how about you give us the meaning of the term "negrito" top boss?

HOW MANY TIMES DO CHE AND EVERYONE ELSE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING TO YOU???

I'd specifically like you to research it and spell it out yourself and not hide behind others backs....

and let's help you see the killing effect it can have.
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Post by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:13 pm

Nirgal wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:from wiki

The Negrito are a class of several ethnic groups who inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia.[1]
Their current populations include 12 Andamanese peoples of the Andaman Islands, six Semang peoples of Malaysia, the Mani of Thailand, and the Aeta, Agta, Ati, and 30 other peoples of the Philippines. Reports from British traders also speak of negrito people on Borneo (Sarawak). (Journal of the Malayan Branch Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. XXIX, part 1, 1956)
Negritos share some common physical features with African pygmy populations, including short stature, natural afro-hair texture, and dark skin; however, their origin and the route of their migration to Asia is still a matter of great speculation. They are the most genetically distant human population from Africans at most loci studied thus far (except for MC1R, which codes for dark skin).
They have also been shown to have separated early from Asians, suggesting that they are either surviving descendants of settlers from an early migration out of Africa, commonly referred to as the Proto-Australoids, or that they are descendants of one of the founder populations of modern humans.[2]


The term "Negrito" is the Spanish diminutive of negro, i.e. "little black person", referring to their small stature, and was coined by early European explorers.[3]
Occasionally, some Negritos are referred to as pygmies, bundling them with peoples of similar physical stature in Central Africa, and likewise, the term Negrito was previously occasionally used to refer to African Pygmies.[4]

of course, Wiki will tell us native spanish speaker from Rio de la plata what the words we use "really" mean.

i am sure its isnt a guy from green land who has written this...goes to show that all the bs people have put on here is just well bs

HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANT


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Post by Nirgal Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:14 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:If elmytisque and some ppl on here were in charge of political correctness policy, 99 per cent of Earth would go in jail.

i'm not against political correction. People should be respectful. Specially about sensitive topics such as race.

The thing is that "negrito" is not a racial slur by any strech of the word.
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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:14 pm

Nirgal wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:from wiki

The Negrito are a class of several ethnic groups who inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia.[1]
Their current populations include 12 Andamanese peoples of the Andaman Islands, six Semang peoples of Malaysia, the Mani of Thailand, and the Aeta, Agta, Ati, and 30 other peoples of the Philippines. Reports from British traders also speak of negrito people on Borneo (Sarawak). (Journal of the Malayan Branch Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. XXIX, part 1, 1956)
Negritos share some common physical features with African pygmy populations, including short stature, natural afro-hair texture, and dark skin; however, their origin and the route of their migration to Asia is still a matter of great speculation. They are the most genetically distant human population from Africans at most loci studied thus far (except for MC1R, which codes for dark skin).
They have also been shown to have separated early from Asians, suggesting that they are either surviving descendants of settlers from an early migration out of Africa, commonly referred to as the Proto-Australoids, or that they are descendants of one of the founder populations of modern humans.[2]


The term "Negrito" is the Spanish diminutive of negro, i.e. "little black person", referring to their small stature, and was coined by early European explorers.[3]
Occasionally, some Negritos are referred to as pygmies, bundling them with peoples of similar physical stature in Central Africa, and likewise, the term Negrito was previously occasionally used to refer to African Pygmies.[4]

of course, Wiki will tell us native spanish speaker from Rio de la plata what the words we use "really" mean.

so now Evra also uses "Negrito" so its fair that someone that uses it calls him by it? :facepalm:
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Post by aleumdance Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:15 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
aleumdance wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:seriously are people tryign to argue that suarez doesnt know that negrito or negro is offensive to black people.......gimme a break

FINALLY

Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said

Id love to see you try prove that

aleumdance. Can you please prove that Suarez clearly knew the impact of what he said?


Its a well known fact in South American Countries that teh words negro and negrito are frowned upon and sometimes seen as racist in English speaking countries

Suarez knew this, SUAREZ KNOWS THIS.


all this talk about him not knowing it is major and complete BULLSHITE
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bhends wrote:
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To be fair, calling someone a monkey isn't considered racist in uruguay

says who? it's not as bad as the n word but it has a racist tone i think

i've seen documentaries about Pelé, when santos went to argentina to play the libertadores agaisnt them, all the fans were calling the santistas little monkeys from brazil..
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