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Post by Yuri Yukuv Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:37 am

This is a retarded question. You only adapt when you are the weaker team, not the stronger one (or atleast dont believe you are). If you never change your style or adapt it doesnt mean you are the best, if you are the best however you dont change change your style.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:38 am

Lol TMO we're discussing arguments here. If you disagree with something in particular that the other party is presenting then discuss those points, but don't just discredit the whole argument because it's by a barca fan...
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:40 am

No need for insults, let cut that out please. Thank you.
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:40 am

i dont discredit it bro, i just said i expect it, 2 different philosophies, what i mean is that not one of you will ever agree with me. Very Happy

im basically saying, all these arguments with me will end in agree to disagree... because their opinions filled with our own philospohy.
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:43 am

wait franchise are you barcafandani?
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:43 am

The Madrid One wrote:ur a barcelona fan you will never agree with me. lol i thought u understood this.

different philosphies man, u will never understand what i mean, and if you do, you wont accept it. stop wasting ur time.


This is more then different philosophies , there is clear right and wrong here.

You for some odd reason

A. Find this different way of playing acceptable for Madrid.
B. Seem to consider that despite the change in the way Madrid are playing, they are not a "lesser" team.

But you are right, I am wasting my time here with you.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:43 am

The Madrid One wrote:wait franchise are you barcafandani?

Yes sir, I am.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:44 am

Yuri Yukuv wrote:This is a retarded question. You only adapt when you are the weaker team, not the stronger one (or atleast dont believe you are). If you never change your style or adapt it doesnt mean you are the best, if you are the best however you dont change change your style.

So in your opinion if you change your style it's an admission of inferiority (or at least perceived one) and thus a team that changes significantly cannot be great?
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Post by Swanhends Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:44 am

great teams adapt and overcome, not stubbornly cling to one idealogy or game plan
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:44 am

id love if you could answer my final question to you though. Razz

edit: @ barcafandani

i knew it lol. i thought you already knew this then nothing new.. you know my philospohy and you know urs, we will disagree, no wrong to be afraid or evade conversation though.

lol impressive i just knew it was u.

@ bhends.

oh yeah.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:47 am

bhends wrote:great teams adapt and overcome, not stubbornly cling to one idealogy or game plan
We're talking about significant changes in style though, not mere every-game changes.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:49 am

I think great teams can adapt their styles to rise up above any challenge they face. t's a trait that we celebrate in every single sports, individual or collective, so i dont see why it should be a stopping point for football.

Adaptability is a factor or greatness. If Lebron had adapted to the threat the mavs were posing, he would be hailed as a great champions, instead he shrunk and collapsed.
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:49 am

well great teams know how to change their style overtime to meet modern day needs right?

if thats the topic discussed here then isnt the answer too obvious...?
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Post by The Madrid One Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:51 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I think great teams can adapt their styles to rise up above any challenge they face. t's a trait that we celebrate in every single sports, individual or collective, so i dont see why it should be a stopping point for football.

Adaptability is a factor or greatness. If Lebron had adapted to the threat the mavs were posing, he would be hailed as a great champions, instead he shrunk and collapsed.
well in football there is one thing some describe or look as,as anti-football, and that mentality creates such discussion.

it leads to how someone percepts pride and honor as.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:55 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:This is a retarded question. You only adapt when you are the weaker team, not the stronger one (or atleast dont believe you are). If you never change your style or adapt it doesnt mean you are the best, if you are the best however you dont change change your style.

So in your opinion if you change your style it's an admission of inferiority (or at least perceived one) and thus a team that changes significantly cannot be great?

If you change your style to face an opponent it means that you do not believe that you are superior and you can impose your will, well except if your style is to change styles and thats what makes you strong. Every team has a certain competitive edge and when they believe it is not sufficient they will try other things. They will be great if their competitive edge is so revolutionary and ahead of the curve that they never need to change it, whatever that competitive edge may be.

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Post by Error Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:59 am

I think you could compare this situation to food chain. The higher you're in the food chain, less likely you need to adapt to your environment and enemies. And if you're lower in the chain then you need to evolve or come up with new ideas.

In other words: no, greatest teams don't (usually) have to change their tactics since it clearly works and they don't have any clear threats. But, of course it doesn't mean that they always wins (prey can escape).
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Post by Onyx Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:02 am

I agree with 'Great teams can adapt their styles to rise up above any challenge they face'.

However 'anti-football' pretty much may mean teams totally defying their style.

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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:22 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I think great teams can adapt their styles to rise up above any challenge they face. t's a trait that we celebrate in every single sports, individual or collective, so i dont see why it should be a stopping point for football.

Adaptability is a factor or greatness. If Lebron had adapted to the threat the mavs were posing, he would be hailed as a great champions, instead he shrunk and collapsed.

Doesnt quite work.

Bron couldnt adapt because he is heartless, thats not a choice.

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Post by Yuri Yukuv Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:23 am

Being heartless is a choice -_-
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Post by awalezelin Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:25 am

great team with the trademark style >>>> great team without it (always change it)
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:27 am

The Franchise wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I think great teams can adapt their styles to rise up above any challenge they face. t's a trait that we celebrate in every single sports, individual or collective, so i dont see why it should be a stopping point for football.

Adaptability is a factor or greatness. If Lebron had adapted to the threat the mavs were posing, he would be hailed as a great champions, instead he shrunk and collapsed.

Doesnt quite work.

Bron couldnt adapt because he is heartless, thats not a choice.


I meant the skillset and the way they were playing defense on him. He couldnt go to the rim, so he could have adapted and switched to his midrange game and post game, which he doesnt have, but it's still adapting to adversity and the kind of challenge facing you.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:35 am

Yuri Yukuv wrote:Being heartless is a choice -_-

Wrong choice of words.

Gutless/choker would be a better term.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:36 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I think great teams can adapt their styles to rise up above any challenge they face. t's a trait that we celebrate in every single sports, individual or collective, so i dont see why it should be a stopping point for football.

Adaptability is a factor or greatness. If Lebron had adapted to the threat the mavs were posing, he would be hailed as a great champions, instead he shrunk and collapsed.

Doesnt quite work.

Bron couldnt adapt because he is heartless, thats not a choice.


I meant the skillset and the way they were playing defense on him. He couldnt go to the rim, so he could have adapted and switched to his midrange game and post game, which he doesnt have, but it's still adapting to adversity and the kind of challenge facing you.

Well yeah I get you, but I dont think that would of even helped in his case. He was missing lay ups, he was just plain scared/failing/giving up mentally.

But I get what your saying.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:37 am

I guess, personal reaction to pressure is partly innate but it can somewhat developed through a good and supportive enviroment.


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Post by KMD Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:40 am

there's a difference between a great team and the best team....
great teams have to adjust, but rarely, case is when they meet each other or the best one!
best team doesn't need to adapt, they can play there style! But the hard part is to determine who is the best team! May be today we can agree that it's barca, yet they had to adjust and bring on the cheating side of their game, against some teams they were iffy with.

So, No!
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Post by Albiceleste Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:42 am

Well when a team specifically needs to completely revamp their play to compete with the big dogs, they aren't great imo.

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