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Post by McLewis Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:35 pm

Gotta feel for Leverkusen. I can't completely write them off though. It's improbable that they'll get past the champs, but never impossible.

A strong showing at home is a must though.


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Post by Raptorgunner Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:35 pm

Leverkusen will tie at home and get a beating of life time away.
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Post by Backspacer Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:36 pm

Surag.Blueguy wrote:Leverkusen are going to get hammered and show the inferior quality of the rest of the Bundesliga teams other than Bayern as far as Champions league is concerned .
As if seeing off Valencia to Thursday night didn't prove the opposite...
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Post by Doc Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:39 pm

Backspacer wrote:
Surag.Blueguy wrote:Leverkusen are going to get hammered and show the inferior quality of the rest of the Bundesliga teams other than Bayern as far as Champions league is concerned .
As if seeing off Valencia to Thursday night didn't prove the opposite...

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Post by Zealous Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:41 pm

Doc wrote:So........anyone thinks Leverkusen might actually do well against the Azulgrana?!

If they do they'll still manage to lose against APOEL in the next round.
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Post by che Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:41 pm

Backspacer wrote:As if seeing off Valencia to Thursday night didn't prove the opposite...

oh puhlease

if jonas could finish one of the 4 clear chances he had in the first half an hour at leverkusen we wouldn't even be having this discussion

you beat at team that sucks in every single away game in europe through sheer dumb luck, barcelona are going to wipe the floor with leverkusen, twice
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Post by Gil Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:42 pm

English clubs getting the two hardest teams in the draw. :facepalm:

Complete joke.

At least we're playing the first leg away from home anyway.
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Post by Iceman Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:42 pm

RealGunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Ibra already performed against a partnership of Verm and Kos.

nah, it was Song and Vermaelen in the 1st leg and Silvestre and Vermaelen in the 2nd

Even if he did, Koscielny improved immeasurably and Vermaelen has improved tactically as well, so it's a different ball game altogether.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:43 pm

Headshot's :bow:
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Post by Backspacer Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:46 pm

I guess that great goalkeeping (from a 19 year old, just in case you didn't catch his age) and a quick, effective counter attack are the products of "sheer luck" these days, what a shame.
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Post by S Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:47 pm

Well err.Too much optimism and the ever growing Barca hate around here.

Seriously i think like Stuttgart they might give a strong home perfomance.Maybe that'll earn them a draw but i think Barca would be too hot to handle at Camp Nou.

But i'll be rooting for leverkusen though.
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Post by che Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:50 pm

Backspacer wrote:I guess that great goalkeeping (from a 19 year old, just in case you didn't catch his age) and a quick, effective counter attack are the products of "sheer luck" these days, what a shame.

:facepalm:

no, jonas and soldado missing multiple 100% chances that would have put the game beyond leverkusen's reach is sheer luck

you can keep flattering yourself but the fact is that leverkusen didn't go through because of how awesome they are but because valencia have the mentality and consistency of chickens

you remember what happened in the first 30-35 mins of the game at leverkusen? several clear chances for valencia and leverkusen couldn't touch the ball... now picture better players doing that for 180 minutes, that's what's going to happen
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Post by la bestia negra Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:51 pm

Doc wrote:So........anyone thinks Leverkusen might actually do well against the Azulgrana?!

if schalke can destroy inter then why not
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Post by Backspacer Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:52 pm

We won't win, but claiming that losing to one of the greatest sides I've ever seen shouldn't be claimed as a commentary on the non-Bayern portion of the Bundesliga. Valencia on Thursday should say enough about he subject.
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Post by Backspacer Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:54 pm

che wrote:
Backspacer wrote:I guess that great goalkeeping (from a 19 year old, just in case you didn't catch his age) and a quick, effective counter attack are the products of "sheer luck" these days, what a shame.

:facepalm:

no, jonas and soldado missing multiple 100% chances that would have put the game beyond leverkusen's reach is sheer luck

you can keep flattering yourself but the fact is that leverkusen didn't go through because of how awesome they are but because valencia have the mentality and consistency of chickens

you remember what happened in the first 30-35 mins of the game at leverkusen? several clear chances for valencia and leverkusen couldn't touch the ball... now picture better players doing that for 180 minutes, that's what's going to happen
You keep mentioning luck here and I'm having a laugh at it every time, we've been doing that all year.
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Post by che Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:55 pm

typical germans -.-
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Post by S Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:58 pm

But i still think the rest of the Bundesliga teams have not made a step-up into becoming a top cl quality team and i have seen nothing of that in recent years and maybe i wont be in the future as well.

I really dont buy that Schalke semi-appearance of last season.

Like i've said before Buli teams are made for the el rather than the CL.:coffee:
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Post by Backspacer Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:00 pm

Che,we're arguing about different things. I'm rejecting a claim that Bayer/Barca will serve as a commentary regarding a lack of quality in the league outside of Bayern, you are putting the context of my words and applying it to the Barcelona matches which isn't what I intended, I know reallisticly what's going to go down when we play them. My bad on the miscommunication, bro.
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Post by S Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:07 pm

Backspacer wrote:Che,we're arguing about different things. I'm rejecting a claim that Bayer/Barca will serve as a commentary regarding a lack of quality in the league outside of Bayern, you are putting the context of my words and applying it to the Barcelona matches which isn't what I intended, I know reallisticly what's going to go down when we play them. My bad on the miscommunication, bro.

My intention was to cut down your optimism honestly .:coffee:
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Post by rwo power Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:09 pm

Doc wrote:Leno? What happened to Rene Adler? I know he was touted as a future goal keeping star, he dropped off the radar? Unless Leno is Adler, I don't know Sad
Unfortunately Adler was constantly injured in the last months and he will still be out until at least January 2012, possibly longer. Thus Leverkusen decided to sign Stuttgart's reserve keeper Bernd Leno on loan and as he developed very nicely, they signed him last month for an undisclosed fee (rumoured to be around 7-8 mio Euros) on a 5 year deal.
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Post by jibers Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:27 pm

for the 1st time in a long time there will be no eng,ish team in the qf Sad
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Post by Aensensen Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:29 pm

Thank God Real didn't get Lyon again. I'd shoot myself in the face if that happened.

I just hope Apoel kicks Lyon's ass so hard that they don't come to knockout phase for the next 10 years. Sorry Lyon fans, but I'm just sick of this club. Every year I expect something new, but no, dumb fate puts Real and Lyon together. COME ON!!!

And it's amazing how lucky these guys are (ok, to be fair, it's not like their team is crap, its good). The 7-1 ass whooping of that failure Dinamo, and 2 wronfuly dissallowed goals for Ajax against Real made them get through. COME ON!!! And Imagine if Ajax was back in knockout phase, that would be a nice change of events, a pleasant refreshener. Instead - Lyon plays Apoel, and has a good chance of progressing.

Every year, they enter knockout phase, and even progress from the first leg often.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Lyon, but seeing them play Real constantly has made my eyes sore. It's just not fun anymore.

Leverkusen is not a bad opponent for Barca. It's an improvement over few last years whern Barca used to draw some really "weaker" clubs in the 1st knockout round.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:31 pm

jibers wrote:for the 1st time in a long time there will be no eng,ish team in the qf Sad

Arsenal and Chelsea will knock Milan and Napoli out imo.
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Post by Lord Hades Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:31 pm

if anyone seriously thinks leverkusen have even one percent chance against barca he is either a hater, or biased
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Post by Raptorgunner Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:33 pm

jibers wrote:for the 1st time in a long time there will be no eng,ish team in the qf Sad
What?
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Post by la bestia negra Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:35 pm

diptiman wrote:if anyone seriously thinks leverkusen have even one percent chance against barca he is either a hater, or biased
anything can happen so really :coffee:
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