Why Messi's Balon D Or 2010 was false

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Post by Grande_Milano Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:03 pm

In past and in sane times (before they decided to unite Balon D Or with another trophee), the criteria was:

-Player that wins major trophy with a team gets it
-Player that stands out gets

Messi in 2010 was neither:

-He didnt win major trophy, even didnt make final, and his NT adventures you well know
-He wasnt a stand out player in that year as he was clearly outshined by Sneijder and Robben


Now, the main argument of supporters of his win of the award: "But Sneijder didnt play few months after wc too well", which is true

Well even if that so, Messi doesnt match the criteria above, as he didnt win 1 of 2 trophees that year, and he also wasnt a stand out player.
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Post by jibers Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:06 pm

It's a glorified popularity contest that has the name FIFA in front of it. Sneijder would have won the bdo if the awards were separated as the journalists voted for him. Ffs fabregasis in the list even though he played sod games last season. It has always been a farce and will forever be one tbh.
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Post by Harmonica Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:08 pm

Messi won 4 trophies 09-10 and matched fat Ronaldo's goal haul record 47 in one season in spain, top scorer in UCL, La Liga and Europe. He was also the best player in Argentina national team which came 5th in WC, and masterminded almost all the goals. Yeah, didn't deserve it, at all. Laughing


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Post by Grande_Milano Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:08 pm

Not to sound a hypocrite and inb4angryBarcafans, Shevchenko award was debatable

So was Owen's
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Post by Le Samourai Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:14 pm

Sneijder deserved it but it was hardly highway robbery like Owen's.

Messi was actually the best player in the world that season.......but you can only ask for consistency in these sorts of things and it's clear to me that before this they always weighted big cup tournaments more than goals or stats.I have no problem with it though....at the end of the day what does it matter whether Messi has 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 Balon D'or's.........it's still going to be double that on anyone else anyway.
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Post by Grande_Milano Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:17 pm

Its not "best player in the world award" its "player that had best season awards" matching 2 criterias listed.

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Post by Le Samourai Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:19 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:Its not "best player in the world award" its "player that had best season awards" matching 2 criterias listed.


Yup and what I'm saying was that he was by some margin the player that had the best season individually if you discount actual trophies.......
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Post by Sushi Master Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:22 pm

Should have gone to Sneijder, but it's Messi, so you can't really complain.
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Post by daneq Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:27 pm

Ok cool.

So CR is a lock for this years BdO, right?
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Post by JuvenelCuore Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:28 pm

All I can say is that if Lionel Messi wins again, I will be infuriated, because he does not hold a candle to Michel Platini. :coffee:
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Post by Harmonica Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:33 pm

JuvenelCuore wrote:All I can say is that if Lionel Messi wins again, I will be infuriated, because he does not hold a candle to Michel Platini. :coffee:
No, he doesn't. But Platini holds for Messi. :coffee:
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Post by Albiceleste Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:39 pm

La liga is not a major trophy? Laughing

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Post by Dnmac4 Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:41 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:In past and in sane times (before they decided to unite Balon D Or with another trophee), the criteria was:

-Player that wins major trophy with a team gets it
-Player that stands out gets

Messi in 2010 was neither:

-He didnt win major trophy, even didnt make final, and his NT adventures you well know
-He wasnt a stand out player in that year as he was clearly outshined by Sneijder and Robben


Now, the main argument of supporters of his win of the award: "But Sneijder didnt play few months after wc too well", which is true

Well even if that so, Messi doesnt match the criteria above, as he didnt win 1 of 2 trophees that year, and he also wasnt a stand out player.


I'm obviously a Barca fan BUT I can agree that Wesley deserved the award in that year for the sole fact that his team went through Barca to win the CL. BUT, Messi still was the best player in the world that year.

Also, how in the world can you say Messi didn't stand out, thats up there for one of the most asinine quote's I've ever seen???? And also how was he out shined by Robben in that year. All Robben won was a league title and a League cup not to mention I would guess that Messi probably doubles him in goals, assists and trophies for that year.
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Post by Dnmac4 Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:44 pm

daneq wrote:Ok cool.

So CR is a lock for this years BdO, right?

Yes, If Ronaldo can win La Liga and reach the final 4 of the CL then he will probably win the award if Barca don't win the CL. HE will have to watch out for Gomez though because if Bayern win there league which they will and the CL then Gomez's stats are going to be off the charts.
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Post by jibers Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:44 pm

My take on it is that a criteria has to be defined. Messi was the best individual player no doubt, but Sneijder was pure clutch.
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Post by eelir Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:50 pm

Buthurt people know he is going to win it this year too and they have no reason whatsoever to bash him for this, so they turn to old news just to trash talk about him. This has been discussed so many times here.

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Post by Grande_Milano Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:55 pm

umad

nobody is taking his 2009 and this year

robben did go to final of netherlands, was besr player along sneijder for his nt
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Post by _LMG_10_ Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:57 pm

Appalled by the ignorance here.
This topic has been debated to death.

You guys do know that the fifa ballon d'or is an individual award right?

"The criteria now for FIFA's Ballon d'Or winner include: performances in major tournaments; individual and team honours; individual talent; skill and fair play; their overall career and finally personality and charisma."

This description is pretty generic but it was said in a press conference by a fifa exec, and many others that the fifa ballon d'or looks at individual brilliance first and foremost.

Sneijder had a more successful season, but Messi does outstanding sh*t every game, and it's not like his season was rubbish.

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Post by Grande_Milano Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:59 pm

i can list sneijder robben and xavi ahead him. team honours u said it and not only
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Post by jibers Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:02 pm

eelir wrote:Buthurt people know he is going to win it this year too and they have no reason whatsoever to bash him for this, so they turn to old news just to trash talk about him. This has been discussed so many times here.

Pathetic

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Post by Harmonica Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:07 pm

jibers wrote:
eelir wrote:Buthurt people know he is going to win it this year too and they have no reason whatsoever to bash him for this, so they turn to old news just to trash talk about him. This has been discussed so many times here.

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Post by jibers Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:12 pm

jiopsi wrote:
jibers wrote:
eelir wrote:Buthurt people know he is going to win it this year too and they have no reason whatsoever to bash him for this, so they turn to old news just to trash talk about him. This has been discussed so many times here.

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Post by rsinatra Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:14 pm

lol, come on, really? i know the player of the year usually is the winner of the UCL or WC, but it's not a rule. Messi didn't win either one then, but still was the best in the world. I think he outshone (and still outshines) anyone else.
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Post by Doc Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:33 pm

In terms of Neymar, knowing how Eurocentric the choosing of the award is, once he stays in South America, he'll probably never win it. As for Messi's 2010 win, small mercies really. I would have rather see Sneijder or Xavi win it but I don't think either player really dwell on that award too long since they had other trophies to gaze at...
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Post by harhar11 Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:50 pm

Ballon d´or is for the player who had the best indivual season(i.e how he performed) and NOT for the player in the team that won the most trophies.

Messi was the best individual player that season while sneijder won the most..

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