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Post by RealGunner Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:06 pm

Gil wrote:Our defenders didn't play very well today but you can't blame them when they're always ridiculously exposed game after game.

The high line is clearly the problem not the personnel.

Terry has never played in a highline in his life. He was never a fast defender either. He is suffering now.

David luiz is a good player, but too erratic. Cashley would have beasted this highline 2 years ago, not anymore. He has lost pace.

Also u are missing a good striker upfront

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Post by The Messiah Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:08 pm

I wonder how terribly slow Badstuber will manage in such defence...?

Maybe 5:0, at least Chelsea are Lucky they have quality defender like terry
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Post by chaval Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:09 pm

Chelseas defense is falling apart
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Post by kiranr Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:09 pm

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Why is AVB insisting on a strategy and tactics that do not suit the players he has available to him?

He is trying to change that.

How? He is continuously playing the high line. And i did not watch the match, but did he play a front three of Malouda, Drogba and Sturridge? Where is the width in the attacking third going to come from in this setup?
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:09 pm

lenear1030 wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:
lenear1030 wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:Cole has been giving these types of performances for about 18 months now.....

He is past it, laugh at me all you want but Enrique is better.

enrique was poor today too.

Not really all Chelsea's attack went through the middle or the left, hardly any went through Enrique's side......

He was a brickwall as usual imo.


he was caught sleeping twice on crosses from the opposite side. one was the sturridge goal...

Yep was going to mention that, the sturridge goal but i dont think he was poor imo worse than his high standards like Sepi said but still reasonably solid.
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Post by Sushi Master Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:12 pm

Idrisozet wrote:I wonder how terribly slow Badstuber will manage in such defence...?

Maybe 5:0, at least Chelsea are Lucky they have quality defender like terry
He'd be just as horrible as he was in the van Gaal era. Same sort of problem. Slow, ponderous defenders in a high line are always going to have problems.
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Post by LeVersacci Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:14 pm

>Watching Chelsea - Liverpool on Viasat
>Glenn in the studio
>Glenn in the commentators booth
>Glen on the pitch

Glenn's everywhere!

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:21 pm

terry cole, mikel malouda....

even david luiz was making mistake. then, there is lampard, granted he has been in fine form of late but he doesnt have same speed he had before to track back and help his team mates in defense. and ramirez form is like a weather.

only drogba is worthy of being in chelsea starting 11.

well chelsea has lost to arsenal manutd and now liverpool ... they havent been convincing against other opponents too.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:23 pm

RealGunner wrote:
Gil wrote:Our defenders didn't play very well today but you can't blame them when they're always ridiculously exposed game after game.

The high line is clearly the problem not the personnel.

Terry has never played in a highline in his life. He was never a fast defender either. He is suffering now.

David luiz is a good player, but too erratic. Cashley would have beasted this highline 2 years ago, not anymore. He has lost pace.

Also u are missing a good striker upfront

agreed mate, especially on cole. he always leaves so much space at the back nowadays, for opponents its easy to exploit chances coming from his flank.

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Post by julias Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:53 pm

RealGunner wrote:
Gil wrote:Our defenders didn't play very well today but you can't blame them when they're always ridiculously exposed game after game.

The high line is clearly the problem not the personnel.

Terry has never played in a highline in his life. He was never a fast defender either. He is suffering now.

David luiz is a good player, but too erratic. Cashley would have beasted this highline 2 years ago, not anymore. He has lost pace.

Also u are missing a good striker upfront

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Post by Art Morte Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:18 pm

I'm not totally buying this "Chelsea high-line" thing.

For our first goal we stole the ball near the 16-yard area, that's not a goal on defensive high-line.

For our second goal Johnson received a pass again at the edge of the box, but it wasn't a pass played behind the defense - i.e. exploiting a high-line by making a run behind it - Johnson still had to beat a defender.

Chelsea got scored on twice, but I didn't see them particularly struggling with some sort of high defensive line.


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So a clear tactical shift is needed, and Alex should be given a chance.

Oh, and Pereira in Very Happy

lol, last i remember of Alex playing this year was when he got embarrassed by Shane Long of West Brom

Chelsea have kept two clean sheets in the league so far, against Blackburn and Stoke.

Alex has played 90 minutes in the league twice so far, against Blackburn and Stoke.

Just sayin'.


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Post by Pedram Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:11 pm

Official: Marcelo is the best LB in the world. Laughing
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:14 pm

El Pipita wrote:Official: Marcelo is the best LB in the world. Laughing

As i said before LB's know how to defend Laughing

I am going to meet you half way tho, he is probably the best LWB :coffee:
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Post by Sushi Master Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:15 pm

El Pipita wrote:Official: Marcelo is the best LB in the world. Laughing
Spoiler:
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Post by anirudhkitt Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:28 pm

I am the biggest fan of marcelo, but he is not the best LB in the world. He is probably the best at attacking but his defensive abilities still leave a lot to be desired. His positioning still sucks. Lahm = number 1.

Anyway, on to topic. I dont think Chelsea's problems lie just in the high line as some of you say. I also think it has a lot to do with the aura and the controversy surrounding and hounding the team, the expectation of AVB to be the next Mourinho, J McEacharan to be Chelsea's Xavi.

I think the poor players just need a break from things. Sometimes a fresh start is what you need.

Terry and cole are finished it seems, just a few days back i saw cole put in a superman performance against spain. Its all knee jerk.
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Post by Nishankly Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:32 pm

Two weeks ago, i posted stats to confirm Cole was poor this season, But you guys needed an eye opener.. Razz
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Post by The Madrid One Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:33 pm

Sushi Master wrote:Discuss. Terry might do well in a deep defensive line, but he is constantly exposed in the AVB highline. Cole forgets to track back and leaves even more space than before due to it.

So a clear tactical shift is needed, and Alex should be given a chance.

Oh, and Pereira in Very Happy
there is no knee jerk here. chelsea's golden players are just getting older and weaker, and worst.

terry isnt even wc anymore, and has always been overated to some degree imo.

dont know what makes even cole the top lb like others here say. lahm gets my vote.

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Post by Funkentelechy Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:05 pm

Art Morte wrote:I'm not totally buying this "Chelsea high-line" thing.

For our first goal we stole the ball near the 16-yard area, that's not a goal on defensive high-line.

For our second goal Johnson received a pass again at the edge of the box, but it wasn't a pass played behind the defense - i.e. exploiting a high-line by making a run behind it - Johnson still had to beat a defender.

Chelsea got scored on twice, but I didn't see them particularly struggling with some sort of high defensive line.


lenear1030 wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
So a clear tactical shift is needed, and Alex should be given a chance.

Oh, and Pereira in Very Happy

lol, last i remember of Alex playing this year was when he got embarrassed by Shane Long of West Brom

Chelsea have kept two clean sheets in the league so far, against Blackburn and Stoke.

Alex has played 90 minutes in the league twice so far, against Blackburn and Stoke.

Just sayin'.

It's not only about the high line, but the whole defensive setup.

Wingers/Midfielders aren't pressing at all, the back four gets no protection from the midfield, no wonder it's frequent to see opposing attackers in direct confront with the back four. Add to that players like Mikel, Terry and Cole making tons of mistakes.

AVB should use a double pivot to solve it short term, although defense is clearly not their only problem.

Alex isn't in the best form of his life either, but why he didnt even make the bench today is beyond me.
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Post by andiii Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:58 pm

Gil wrote:Honestly have no idea. I understand he's trying to implement his own style into this Chelsea side but you have to do that gradually.

No way we'll finish in the Top 4 this season if he doesn't change our defensive setup. The amount of times a simple long ball cut through back four today was painful.

exactly what us inter fans were saying with gasperini as our manager. high line plus ageing defenders is a nightmare
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Post by Albiceleste Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:20 pm

Marcela has some way to go before being the best LB in the world. Let him develop he's young ffs, he'll get there, also what's the difference if he has the title of best LB in the world anyway? Laughing

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Post by IAmManUnited Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:22 pm

WOWWW NOW WHEN THE OP SAYS COLE IS FINISHED YET WHEN I SAID THAT WITH ENGLAND VS SPAIN, I GOT SCRUTINIZED...smh
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Post by chaval Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:31 am

I think its time for some replacements
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Post by Soul Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:15 am

He is definitely not suited for this style of play; he isn't quick nor does he have the energy to constantly keep pressing the opposition. Most goals we've conceded so far was because after the ball was lost in the middle of the park, the CBs just stayed at their positions and hoped for the best.

We need someone who is quick and has the energy to keep pressuring the opposition player. DL4 was supposed to be that player but he needs to keep his composure and make calculated decisions.

What makes matters worse is that since Terry is a legend, and knowing his personality, he wouldn't settle for a place on the bench. He is the captain afterall. Nor would majority of the fans want it. Honestly, Ivanovic would do a much better job.

I've defended Terry all my life. He was afterall worthy of winning the Ballon d'Or once or twice in a row but that's long gone.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:18 am

Milanfan7 wrote:Ivanovic as CB is ten times better.

LaughingLaughingLaughing

Anyways, the bigger problem is the defense, Terry is just a small part. Can't wait to see Bruma replace him though.

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Post by mr-r34 Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:23 am

he should come to the a-league
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