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Post by mzamani Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:51 am

english_jewel wrote:Chelsea 04-05 over Arsenal Invicibles anyday

We lost only one match in that season and won one more cup than Arsenal

1 cup> 1 game
2 cups> 1 cup


not when that cup is the carling cup. banana

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Post by goonbrain Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:41 am

pacquiao or mayweather?
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Post by Guest Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:46 am

My favourite PL team is Liverpool of 08-09 :coffee:

Absolute crushing machine from February to May

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Post by Dnmac4 Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:17 am

This thread is insane. You can't compare points in the EPL because some years are easier then others to win the EPL. Just because Chelsea won the most points in history doesn't mean the 08 United team wouldn't beat that team.

IMO there is a really easy way to settle this argument and it's the Champions League. IT separates the men from the boys and you have to give the title to United especially since EPL teams have such a hard time winning the Champions league.

Sure Arsenal went undefeated in the EPL but got knocked out in the CL. The CL is the hardest tournament in the world so if you can win EPL and the CL then your the best team of the era especially since no one else could accomplish that.

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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:38 am

mzamani wrote:
english_jewel wrote:Chelsea 04-05 over Arsenal Invicibles anyday

We lost only one match in that season and won one more cup than Arsenal

1 cup> 1 game
2 cups> 1 cup


not when that cup is the carling cup. banana

Makes no difference...a trophy is a trophy

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Post by RuthlesGangstaDef:villin Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:35 am

chelsea 04 4 sure
Would of been undefeated if man city didn't cheat
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Post by VanDeezNuts Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:31 am

on paper it has to be the invincibles.

and im sure some people put mancity 11' as a joke but honestly as a squad on paper.. the team is ridiculous maybe the best in the poll

only thing is they havent won anything yet.

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Post by jibers Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:40 am

english_jewel wrote:
mzamani wrote:
english_jewel wrote:Chelsea 04-05 over Arsenal Invicibles anyday

We lost only one match in that season and won one more cup than Arsenal

1 cup> 1 game
2 cups> 1 cup


not when that cup is the carling cup. banana

Makes no difference...a trophy is a trophy

Lol, An arsenal fan saying the league cup doesn't count, your team is going into it's seventh year of being trophyl;ess ffs, you lost the final last season. The irony....
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Post by jibers Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:43 am

deezydeez wrote:on paper it has to be the invincibles.

and im sure some people put mancity 11' as a joke but honestly as a squad on paper.. the team is ridiculous maybe the best in the poll

only thing is they havent won anything yet.

On paper, seriously? The whole team was there the following season and they id sod all. Most of th team was the the season before 03/04. On paper. ROFL. This isn't football manager 2012 or fifa 12.IRL and They did sod all. 1 Premier league for the supposed greatest premier league team is a farce. Arsenal need to win the prem on mu;ltiple occassion before they join the big boys tbh. Hell chelsea have been a bigger club since 07...
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Post by beatrixasdfghjk. Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:53 am

jibers wrote:
deezydeez wrote:on paper it has to be the invincibles.

and im sure some people put mancity 11' as a joke but honestly as a squad on paper.. the team is ridiculous maybe the best in the poll

only thing is they havent won anything yet.

On paper, seriously? The whole team was there the following season and they id sod all. Most of th team was the the season before 03/04. On paper. ROFL. This isn't football manager 2012 or fifa 12.IRL and They did sod all. 1 Premier league for the supposed greatest premier league team is a farce. Arsenal need to win the prem on mu;ltiple occassion before they join the big boys tbh. Hell chelsea have been a bigger club since 07...
And aging doesn't count as a factor?

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Post by julias Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:58 am

jibers wrote:It';s between chelsea 04/05, United 08 and United 99 tbh. Invincibles? No chance. They won just the prem and couln't even sustain it. Chelsea revolutionised tactics in the prem and I owe Uniteds 08 tactical development and Fergie finally getting it right in Europ on a consistent Basis down to them. They lost once and broke every record in the prem, managed to win other trophies and their cycle didn't end after one season. Invincibles were 1 season wonders. If you can't sustain a cycle your not a great team.


lmao unable to sustain it

can you name another side that went a season unbeaten

oh wait....
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Post by jibers Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:00 am

beatrixasdfghjk. wrote:
jibers wrote:
deezydeez wrote:on paper it has to be the invincibles.

and im sure some people put mancity 11' as a joke but honestly as a squad on paper.. the team is ridiculous maybe the best in the poll

only thing is they havent won anything yet.

On paper, seriously? The whole team was there the following season and they id sod all. Most of th team was the the season before 03/04. On paper. ROFL. This isn't football manager 2012 or fifa 12.IRL and They did sod all. 1 Premier league for the supposed greatest premier league team is a farce. Arsenal need to win the prem on mu;ltiple occassion before they join the big boys tbh. Hell chelsea have been a bigger club since 07...
And aging doesn't count as a factor?

So all of a sudden your team became poor after 1 season eh? Please, your team couldn't keep up it's limited success (won only the prem) and then you want to compare yourself to teams that won mulctiple trophies and teams that won multiple leagues in a row? No chance. Chelsea for me then UNited 08 easily. Uited 08 will go own as one of the best teams in the last 20 years, The invincibles will not...Champions league > than anything you did that season tbh.
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Post by Gil Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:52 am

Chelsea 04-05 team by a country mile.

No idea how they never won the CL that season either.
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Post by Guest Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:57 am

Gil wrote:Chelsea 04-05 team by a country mile.

No idea how they never won the CL that season either.

My avatar :coffee:

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Post by Raptorgunner Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:14 pm

Invincibles/ thread. :coffee:
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Post by Ali Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:35 pm

You guys can JOG THE *bleep* ON son, you're *bleep* kidding if you think a team can compare.
The greatest player to ever play in England in Thierry Henry, one of the finest strikers in the last ten years in Bergkamp, one of the most under-rated midfielders in the last generation in Pires, one of the most elegant wingers in Fredrik, the attack was beyond menacing.
If you weren't cheated you would'v gone invincible, if we weren't cheated we would'v gone invincible for longer. Oh, and gone third last season, and progressed father in the CL.
Although, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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Post by REWB Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:41 pm

Lehmann
Lauren
Campbell
Touré
Cole
Ljungberg
Vieira
Gilberto
Pirès
Bergkamp
Henry

look at that team, the reason why it didn't continue was because defensively the season before they were not as good because of old age, however they still pwned chelsea in terms of attach as they scored 87 goals that season while chelsea only scored 72 goals. chelsea had a better organised workman defence that season thats why they did well. but in terms of names in paper the invincibles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>chelseas 04/5.

but its really close and i have to say that chelsea team was up there very good.





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Post by xabi Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:45 pm

arsenal winning this poll WTF HAHAHA JOKE OF THE DAY
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Post by REWB Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:47 pm

xabi wrote:arsenal winning this poll WTF HAHAHA JOKE OF THE DAY

why dont you explain your opinion then?
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Post by xabi Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:49 pm

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
xabi wrote:arsenal winning this poll WTF HAHAHA JOKE OF THE DAY

why dont you explain your opinion then?

from chelsea¨'04 to United '08- 2 good for arsenal they were
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:51 pm

All right own up who voted for NUFC 2011 other than me lmao?
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Post by kiranr Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:07 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:All right own up who voted for NUFC 2011 other than me lmao?

Suspect

There are other Newcastle fans in this forum....
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:15 pm

Invincibles were well invincible, but not truly above the rest that you can say "/ thread". Say, for simple example in a group when you win 1 and draw 2 is never gonna be better than when you win 2 and lose 1. You magnify this 3 games example adding the consistency factor, depth, overall quality, and champion spirit you then get who is better. Well, the point is winning percentage counts more in the end. Jibers was saying time and time again that the Invincibles won only one trophy in the periods where they and the next great team the Mou's Blues were competing. Well, it's not the end all be all, trophy doesn't mean everything as even Jibers himself consider that Chelsea better than the Mancs. But trophy is definitely a big factor in measuring the team's greatness. Rather than continuously insisting your good points only and mocking the others, there is this kind of practical example:
Calculation points
Treble 100
League and European Cup double 75
Minor league and European Cup 65
Major domestic treble 60
Major League and Cup double 50
Minor domestic treble 40
Cup double 40
Major League Victory 120
Second 90
Third 85

Bonuses
European Cup 50
Major league 30
Uefa Cup 20
Minor league 15
CWC 15
Major Cup 10

Undefeated European Cup 30
One defeat 15
European Cup all-time top scorers 30
Second band of top scorers 25
Third band 20
Fourth band 15
European Cup all-time defensive record 30
Second band 25
Third band 20
Fourth band 15
Major league best points average 50
Second band 40
Third band 35
Fourth band 30
Major league top scorers 30
Second band 25
Third band 20
Fourth band 15
Major league defensive record 30
Second band 25
Third band 20
Fourth band 15
Undefeated season 50
One defeat 30
Two defeats 20

It's an objective measurement with many relevant factors included, so try totaling it all up and see the result for yourself. That's one way of doing it. So, what I mean is being invincible for one season but losing in other competitions is not absolutely better than winning two competitions and losing just once in the league. Add that to the fact that the among the team not winning the league that season was Arsenal that was not tremendously difference, with the core of the squad still largely intact was beaten along the way. It's different if we compare the head to head after the next 3 seasons. Yes the invincibles might be better than the Blues for your liking, but your opposite's argument is sound and you guys just responding "we're just better, you're just a joke, the players age, you won more trophy but it didn't matter, and so" is just, wrong. I'm not a Chelsea fan, I like Arsenal better. Among the sides here, I even loved the invincibles the most, but the way several gunners handling the argument was just ballistic.

Anyway, just by looking briefly on the poll, Newcastle should not be there. They're kings, they don't compare with the realm of normals. Twisted Evil Then, there's City, they're wonderful to watch, scoring loads, still attached in the eyes and mind due to the recentness, but they just haven't win anything, so one out there. Then, there's Arsenal 2001-2002 and not 2000-2001, bro Very Happy, which won more than the successor, also played omnipotent attacking passing brand, but they're just not better than the successor as can be seen in the voting :lol!:, so I rule them out as well.
Then it's come down to 4 and I give up. They're wonderful and unique in their own right. The "we'll come-back in Fergie time yo!" monsters of Manc 99, the passmasters of Arsenal 04, the winning machines of Chelsea 05, the well-oiled well-drilled well-balanced beasts of Manc 08. In the end, preference matters most, but looking at opposing arguments more objectively does no harm really. For me, Manc of the late 90s just edged it and Man Utd is the club that I hate the most. :dance:

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Post by Gil Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:49 pm

That Arsenal 03-04 is the most overrated side in history. Yeah they finished the season unbeaten and it was a great achievement but they did f**k all in Europe and in the cups. Best side ever yet they couldn't even win the League the following season. Laughing

They finished the season unbeaten but I think like 5 or 6 title winners over the years have finished with a higher point tally. They didn't even score the most goals either for the Arsenal fans that are going to use the boring "most attractive side ever11!11" line.

Chelsea 04-05
Record for lowest amount of goals conceded
Record for most wins in a Premier League season
Record points tally in a season
Most away wins in a single season
Fewest goals conceded away in a season
Most clean sheets in a season

Imagine if they had the 06-07 version of Drogba in that team. affraid

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Post by goonbrain Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:58 pm

Gil wrote:That Arsenal 03-04 is the most overrated side in history. Yeah they finished the season unbeaten and it was a great achievement but they did f**k all in Europe and in the cups. Best side ever yet they couldn't even win the League the following season. Laughing

They finished the season unbeaten but I think like 5 or 6 title winners over the years have finished with a higher point tally. They didn't even score the most goals either for the Arsenal fans that are going to use the boring "most attractive side ever11!11" line.

Chelsea 04-05
Record for lowest amount of goals conceded
Record for most wins in a Premier League season
Record points tally in a season
Most away wins in a single season
Fewest goals conceded away in a season
Most clean sheets in a season

Imagine if they had the 06-07 version of Drogba in that team. affraid


u jelly because u not unbeaten. u beaten.
u secretly wish u are us.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:10 pm

Gil wrote:That Arsenal 03-04 is the most overrated side in history. Yeah they finished the season unbeaten and it was a great achievement but they did f**k all in Europe and in the cups. Best side ever yet they couldn't even win the League the following season. Laughing

They finished the season unbeaten but I think like 5 or 6 title winners over the years have finished with a higher point tally. They didn't even score the most goals either for the Arsenal fans that are going to use the boring "most attractive side ever11!11" line.

Chelsea 04-05
Record for lowest amount of goals conceded
Record for most wins in a Premier League season
Record points tally in a season
Most away wins in a single season
Fewest goals conceded away in a season
Most clean sheets in a season

Imagine if they had the 06-07 version of Drogba in that team. affraid


Mate, people automatically over-rate them just because they have 'invincible' in front of their name. We only lost one game in the 04-05 season ffs...plus we won more than Arsenal that season. Along with all the records you listed above. That counts more than losing one game...

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