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The Wenger Era...(Highbury & Emirates)

Post by Wilson37 on Tue 4 Oct - 17:54

From this article in Arsenal.com
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http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/39857/behind-the-numbers
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some interesting parts...
So despite failing to win a trophy in the last six seasons, the actual playing records have remained fairly similar over the 15 years.
This fact is highlighted when comparing the manager’s records at Highbury (1996-2006) and Emirates Stadium (2006 to current day). Arsenal have not won silverwaresince moving into Emirates Stadium at the beginning of the 2006/07 season, but the team have a near identical record here compared to Arsène’s time at our previous home.
The win ratio at Highbury was 70.6 per cent as opposed to 70.3per cent at Emirates, while in fact the side have scored more goals per game (2.18 at Emirates, 2.16 at Highbury) and conceded fewer (0.68 at Emirates, 0.82 at Highbury) since the move.

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Arsène won the domestic ‘double’ in his first full season (becoming the first overseas manager to win the English league) and he repeated the feat four years later. That 2001/02 ‘double’ season remains his most successful in terms of win percentage, with 65 per cent of the 60 games ending in victory.
The first three times Arsène recorded a win percentage in excess of 60, Arsenal won the league (1997/98, 2001/02 and 2003/04). However, the numbers would suggest that it has become much harder to win silverware since the manager's third league title in 2004.
The following season Arsenal’s win percentage was a hefty 64.9 per cent (the second best of the Wenger era), but the team missed out on the title. Twice more since then the win percentage has been 60 or greater (2007/08 and 2009/10)yet both times the team remained trophyless. In fact the2007/08 record was better than that of the 1997/98 ‘double’ campaign.

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so interesting.. Wenger enjoyed an astonishing successful period at Highbury..
And we know whats going on after we moved to Emirates...
These are certainly 2 phases...
But i dont think Wenger has changed much over the years...
So i points to some other factors which might have changed our fortunes.. Stadium loan.. Impact of money football by Chelsea and City.. etc..
What about your opinions ?

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Post by beatrixasdfghjk. on Wed 5 Oct - 9:26

And we lose when it matters :L

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Re: The Wenger Era...(Highbury & Emirates)

Post by srigooner on Wed 5 Oct - 10:58

I could probably buy a meal for 1 Euro in 1998. Today, I can buy a little more than a jar of milk with 1 Euro. #Analogy

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Post by Wilson37 on Wed 5 Oct - 13:15

srigooner wrote:I could probably buy a meal for 1 Euro in 1998. Today, I can buy a little more than a jar of milk with 1 Euro. #Analogy

so u mean to say that in the past 60% success won u trophies and now we need more success like inflation Laughing
i found it interesting because i have heard of this amazing Arsenals past only from talks and articles.. And i thought it should be very different from what we are seeing.. But stats again show that it was the same.. It even says that we concede less goals at Emirates.. And we maintain almost the same scoring rate and success rate.. And we dont win anything.. ?? !!!!
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Post by srigooner on Wed 5 Oct - 16:29

Wilson37 wrote:
srigooner wrote:I could probably buy a meal for 1 Euro in 1998. Today, I can buy a little more than a jar of milk with 1 Euro. #Analogy

so u mean to say that in the past 60% success won u trophies and now we need more success like inflation Laughing
i found it interesting because i have heard of this amazing Arsenals past only from talks and articles.. And i thought it should be very different from what we are seeing.. But stats again show that it was the same.. It even says that we concede less goals at Emirates.. And we maintain almost the same scoring rate and success rate.. And we dont win anything.. ?? !!!!
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Lol.. Yeah, precisely.. We are still the same, but our competitors [of those days] have since marched ahead and have better success rates now.. We haven't adapted to the changing football scenario in that case.. The "time value of success" has changed, or something like that Very Happy

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Post by MJGunner on Wed 5 Oct - 17:17

Emirates feels cursed.


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Post by Guest on Wed 5 Oct - 17:28

As much as we would all love to think so, we haven't had anyone near Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, etc. together at Arsenal since they left. For the past 5-6 years, it's been potential with maybe 1-2 true WC players on the pitch. Lack of depth has been shocking too.

Quality is just not there. Wenger is doing his best despite the obvious disadvantages he's had.

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Post by Raptorgunner on Wed 5 Oct - 18:25

sportsczy wrote:As much as we would all love to think so, we haven't had anyone near Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, etc. together at Arsenal since they left. For the past 5-6 years, it's been potential with maybe 1-2 true WC players on the pitch. Lack of depth has been shocking too.

Quality is just not there. Wenger is doing his best despite the obvious disadvantages he's had.


We were one or 2 player away from winning major trophies, in the past couple of years, if only we got that one player.

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Post by Guest on Wed 5 Oct - 18:57

Raptorgunner wrote:
sportsczy wrote:As much as we would all love to think so, we haven't had anyone near Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, etc. together at Arsenal since they left. For the past 5-6 years, it's been potential with maybe 1-2 true WC players on the pitch. Lack of depth has been shocking too.

Quality is just not there. Wenger is doing his best despite the obvious disadvantages he's had.


We were one or 2 player away from winning major trophies, in the past couple of years, if only we got that one player.


Yeah... which is a testament to Wenger. There was a 2-year period where both Man U and Chelsea were ripe for the taking, Liverpool was down and City was just rebuilding. Now, they've all reached their stride and it will be much tougher + we've lost a lot. A shame.

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Post by Raptorgunner on Wed 5 Oct - 19:10

sportsczy wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
sportsczy wrote:As much as we would all love to think so, we haven't had anyone near Bergkamp, Vieira, Henry, etc. together at Arsenal since they left. For the past 5-6 years, it's been potential with maybe 1-2 true WC players on the pitch. Lack of depth has been shocking too.

Quality is just not there. Wenger is doing his best despite the obvious disadvantages he's had.


We were one or 2 player away from winning major trophies, in the past couple of years, if only we got that one player.


Yeah... which is a testament to Wenger. There was a 2-year period where both Man U and Chelsea were ripe for the taking, Liverpool was down and City was just rebuilding. Now, they've all reached their stride and it will be much tougher + we've lost a lot. A shame.


They all took few steps forward and we took 20 steps backward, such a shame what is happening to Arsenal Sad . I believe we will be back stronger it will take few years.

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Post by usman111 on Wed 5 Oct - 19:41

arsenal strategy is still excellent but it is not complete. the problem with arsenal is that it keeps selling its experienced players before the youngs one are completely ready. look at united even if they now sell rooney wellback and hernandez can easily fill the gap.
united stayed at the top because they had a right blend of experience and young players. here we keep on selling. arsenal has turned into a selling club believe it or not. arsenal board & wenger is to blame for that.
the other reason is that arsenal are still using the same methods passing passing passing the game has changed and wenger is still using the old methods. united has two defensive coaches and arsenal none. tactics have changed overtime but it seems arsenal follow the same blue print and every time i see that arsenal possession football i wonder every team knows how we play. ALL of them know what to do.

bottom line: tactics, incomplete strategy, reluctance to spend

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Post by GoonerJay29 on Wed 5 Oct - 19:44

It's all about the money.

Even before the move to Emirates, Arsenal were still tight on wages. However, Wenger had managed to assemble a super-talented group of playes in an era where £100,000 p/w was seen as obscenely high for a player to earn.

Unfortunately, though, a lot of those players were once-in-a-generation level talent. How can you find another Bergkamp or Henry? Even a Vieira, Pires or Ljungberg? Not to mention some of the defensive players. Couple this with the financial restraints that comes with moving to a new stadium, and you're just not going to see the same sort of squad at Arsenal.

This is all coincided with United and Chelsea throwing their financial muscle around and building the best squads in the league, while we were pretty much the third or fourth best team in the league. Now City and Liverpool have joined the party.

So it shouldn't be any surprise we are where we are. We've stood still for a couple of years, and have now gone backwards, while four other teams have gone forward.

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Post by usman111 on Wed 5 Oct - 20:19

Money is an important factor but still arsenal managed to stay in the top 4. it was only last season city and pool spend big but still arsenal managed 4. its not all about money its about the right players, the winning attitude, the team working as a unit. Football is a team game no matter how much you spend the players need to work as unit. arsenal team changes every season, this season we have 2 new defenders, 2 new midfielders, 1 new striker. arsenal been victims of their own decisions who would sell their best players to rival clubs. every season we see 2-3 key players departing and few unknown players coming in.
Ferguson build his team on scholes giggs vandersar ferdinand rooney now look where they are


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Post by KMD on Thu 6 Oct - 17:38

wenger is suffering from anchoring bias in decision making !!!

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