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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:23 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Rebaño Sagrado wrote:The moron has bilbao in 4th now :bow:
Like being 10th in any other league tbf.


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Post by Onyx Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:25 pm

Hopefully some rich foreign owner buys them, so they can invest and La Liga can become more competitive.

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Post by Kaladin Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:27 pm

Wasn't there a consortium from UAE interested in Valencia
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Post by The Franchise Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:42 pm

Im sorry, Costa is better than Falcao? lol

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Post by Kick Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:08 pm

Why would you be? Unless you can get a better TV deal I wouldn't want to invest in Laliga.
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Post by iftikhar Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:06 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Hopefully some rich foreign owner buys them, so they can invest and La Liga can become more competitive.
Like Malaga :-{
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Post by Art Morte Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:19 am

I don't think it's about any TV deal for potential buyers, there are very very few clubs in the world you would buy in the hope of making any money out of it. Unless you can buy a club cheap-ish and look to build it up a bit and sell for profit. But Valencia have got so much debt that that has to be a turn-off for many potential buyers. Their debt is probably higher than the club's value.
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Post by Sri Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:03 am

For the uninitiated, (like me), what are these debts and how do clubs chalk up so much of it? Did they build a stadium, or just poor transfer business, extremely high operating costs,....?

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Post by chinomaster182 Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:14 am

srigooner wrote:For the uninitiated, (like me), what are these debts and how do clubs chalk up so much of it? Did they build a stadium, or just poor transfer business, extremely high operating costs,....?
All those and more, generally football clubs are run at a loss every year, they just have too high operating costs and generally not big enough revenue.

In Spain for example, clubs have pretty low revenue, yet some "big" clubs like Valencia spend more than they earn in new players. They do this for several reasons, maybe the biggest reason is the fact that they know that they will never go under, when they get into financial trouble, like right now, someone always comes along and bails them out, be it the government, a new sugar daddy or just the bank taking its failed debt with them.

But yes, pretty much 80%+ of football clubs operate with losses and debt, only very responsible and well run clubs such as Arsenal and Bayern (maybe we could include Real Madrid) operate under good financial health.
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Post by Zealous Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:14 pm

Valverde clearly not a moron though hmm
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Post by The Franchise Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:03 pm

Only reason I called him a moron was because of that comment.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:44 am

Z your sig tho. Molenation 

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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:07 pm

I thought this would be about Valencia.

Turns out it's Falcao vs Diego Costa.

I think Falcao is still better but Diego is more complete, though. Will be at Falcao's level soon if he keeps going.

As for the "moronic comment" we've all said foolish things here and there, tbh. Bayern & Dortmund, especially, completely contradicted me last season.
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:25 pm

Hmm. Doesn't look too good right now. I'm no businessman either, but it looks like Valencia are gonna need a sugar daddy to get out of this one. Not that I mind much about where he or she is from but I only hope that they don't defame the club.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:51 pm

It's only a threat at this point. In any case they have been horribly mismanaged since Llorente left. They should have gone for Villa when he was put on the market, Atleti got him for 4m Laughing
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Post by Motogp69 Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:19 am

Can I buy them on an installment plan?
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Post by che Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:55 pm

sooo much crap in this thread... first of all, bankia can't sell dick since they don't actually *own* the club, all they own is the debt of the foundation... that's about all they can sell to other investors, and nobody will touch it with a 10-foot pole since the courts are pretty much useless and the debt is unenforceable enough as it is as it's backed by the local government... the foundation is an entirely separate legal entity from the club, and the club has been paying all interest payments on time so there's no issue there

with regards to llorente, he and his lapdog braulio, who has since been fired, were the ones pushing for cheapskate solutions like pellegrino and postiga, salvo is a 10x better president

now that said, it's all over twitter that the club itself has actually been sold, and the head of the foundation is apparently resigning so it looks like it was the foundation who sold their controlling portion of the shares to somebody... who exactly it is, god knows but i'm really not enjoying this situation
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Post by Lord Awesome Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:19 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:It's only a threat at this point. In any case they have been horribly mismanaged since Llorente left. They should have gone for Villa when he was put on the market, Atleti got him for 4m Laughing

Yeah, no kidding. Don't know why we didn't even try going for Villa. But eh, what can we do. All we can do is just wait till' someone who knows what they're doing arrives.
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Post by Abramovich Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:33 pm

Hey guys,

Hows Romeu been?
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Post by danyjr Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:41 pm

Europa league if we're lucky AND Đukić is sacked.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:27 pm

Dukic might be sacked soon
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:36 pm

yes, Djukic is getting the sack today, Job opening for AVB, come on son
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Post by halamadrid2 Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:47 pm

hope he stays beyond our game. we need the win
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Post by RealGunner Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:14 pm

Official: Valencia sack coach Miroslav Đukić
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Post by danyjr Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:31 pm

Good.

I hope Salvo stays away from AVB and Manzano and hires Mel instead.

In fact Mel is the exact type of coach Valencia need right now.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:21 pm

Valencia just hired the coach of San lorenzo who won the apertura this week in argentina.
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