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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:56 pm

babun1024 wrote:
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Nick, I was busy with I-no the other days and didn't notice your post Very Happy Your post makes sense in theory and that's it Very Happy
Benz and Ozil were pressing in upper midfield against Farca in turns, you couldn't have him 'deeper' otherwise Benz would've been exhausted after some 50 minutes Very Happy
CR7 had a lot responsibility in attack because of that but he didn't live up to expectations Very Happy
His selfish act ruined all the buildups in attack where he had more freedom than other 3 Very Happy

Well, yeah, it's a theoretical excerpt, i dont expect it to be perfect.

The answer i would give you to is that, with a 3-man midfield, one of them can slide a little forward to put the choke on Busquets. having one man that can detach himself from the 3 man unit and go up or down to add number to whichever line is a nice trait no?
Ozil was doing it Very Happy Watch the match if don't believe me Very Happy We had more room through the wings but CR7 choked Very Happy Di Maria was totally disappointing as well...
I'm awaiting Neymar's arrival with open arms otherwise we'll lose the upcoming encounters as well, I fear Very Happy
We need someone more productive on the wing than CR7 in 90 minutes...
C'mon the other FLo, make it happen! :lol!:

Moving Benz to the left, CR7 to CF and keep Ozil where he is. We don't need to do more than this. Benz is better than CR7 at creating and linking with teammates. Even if CR7 doesn't want to do this full time, he can at least agree to it v. Barca. Frankly, we don't need it for any other opponent.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:00 pm

babun1024 wrote:
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Nick, I was busy with I-no the other days and didn't notice your post Very Happy Your post makes sense in theory and that's it Very Happy
Benz and Ozil were pressing in upper midfield against Farca in turns, you couldn't have him 'deeper' otherwise Benz would've been exhausted after some 50 minutes Very Happy
CR7 had a lot responsibility in attack because of that but he didn't live up to expectations Very Happy
His selfish act ruined all the buildups in attack where he had more freedom than other 3 Very Happy

Well, yeah, it's a theoretical excerpt, i dont expect it to be perfect.

The answer i would give you to is that, with a 3-man midfield, one of them can slide a little forward to put the choke on Busquets. having one man that can detach himself from the 3 man unit and go up or down to add number to whichever line is a nice trait no?
Ozil was doing it Very Happy Watch the match if don't believe me Very Happy We had more room through the wings but CR7 choked Very Happy Di Maria was totally disappointing as well...
I'm awaiting Neymar's arrival with open arms otherwise we'll lose the upcoming encounters as well, I fear Very Happy
We need someone more productive on the wing than CR7 in 90 minutes...
C'mon the other FLo, make it happen! :lol!:

Ozil was staying way to up, that's my concern.

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Post by Onyx on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:02 pm

Ozil being higher up allowed for better pressing.
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Post by Babun on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:22 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Nick, I was busy with I-no the other days and didn't notice your post Very Happy Your post makes sense in theory and that's it Very Happy
Benz and Ozil were pressing in upper midfield against Farca in turns, you couldn't have him 'deeper' otherwise Benz would've been exhausted after some 50 minutes Very Happy
CR7 had a lot responsibility in attack because of that but he didn't live up to expectations Very Happy
His selfish act ruined all the buildups in attack where he had more freedom than other 3 Very Happy

Well, yeah, it's a theoretical excerpt, i dont expect it to be perfect.

The answer i would give you to is that, with a 3-man midfield, one of them can slide a little forward to put the choke on Busquets. having one man that can detach himself from the 3 man unit and go up or down to add number to whichever line is a nice trait no?
Ozil was doing it Very Happy Watch the match if don't believe me Very Happy We had more room through the wings but CR7 choked Very Happy Di Maria was totally disappointing as well...
I'm awaiting Neymar's arrival with open arms otherwise we'll lose the upcoming encounters as well, I fear Very Happy
We need someone more productive on the wing than CR7 in 90 minutes...
C'mon the other FLo, make it happen! :lol!:

Ozil was staying way to up, that's my concern.
He pressed in turns with Benz. I thought you got my first post, or you wanted a completely exhausted Benz after 50 minutes? Very Happy Choose what you want Very Happy

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:27 pm

babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
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Nick, I was busy with I-no the other days and didn't notice your post Very Happy Your post makes sense in theory and that's it Very Happy
Benz and Ozil were pressing in upper midfield against Farca in turns, you couldn't have him 'deeper' otherwise Benz would've been exhausted after some 50 minutes Very Happy
CR7 had a lot responsibility in attack because of that but he didn't live up to expectations Very Happy
His selfish act ruined all the buildups in attack where he had more freedom than other 3 Very Happy

Well, yeah, it's a theoretical excerpt, i dont expect it to be perfect.

The answer i would give you to is that, with a 3-man midfield, one of them can slide a little forward to put the choke on Busquets. having one man that can detach himself from the 3 man unit and go up or down to add number to whichever line is a nice trait no?
Ozil was doing it Very Happy Watch the match if don't believe me Very Happy We had more room through the wings but CR7 choked Very Happy Di Maria was totally disappointing as well...
I'm awaiting Neymar's arrival with open arms otherwise we'll lose the upcoming encounters as well, I fear Very Happy
We need someone more productive on the wing than CR7 in 90 minutes...
C'mon the other FLo, make it happen! :lol!:

Ozil was staying way to up, that's my concern.
He pressed in turns with Benz. I thought you got my first post, or you wanted a completely exhausted Benz after 50 minutes? Very Happy Choose what you want Very Happy

Yeah... it's too hard to sustain that kind of pressing from the CF spot. Making run after run in the box is tiring. That's why i think putting CR7 as CF is the best option. He's clearly the best athlete in the world in football and may be the only one that can sustain the effort needed.

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Post by shaven on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:38 pm

@paperbackwriter wrote:
mtfootball wrote:Khedira should just play DM with Sahin and Ozil at CM.

Except Khedira isn't a DM...

tru that

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:53 pm

No Babun, i said one of the 3 man midfield can give the choke on Busquets as well, and benzema can focus on Pique.

but i woud rather have a natural 3 man presence in the midfied, not only to put more pressure on xaviesta but also to help us in the build up.

they gave xabi and khedira an awful time on wednesday.


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Post by SuperMAG on Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:24 pm

I think we brought players with many weak points which is hurting us in the long run. xabi, khedira are one of those players, especially against a barcelona and their future generations.

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Post by Pedram on Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:49 am

@paperbackwriter wrote:
And Özil shouldn't be cut the slack of learning the ACM position properly, he's a bright kid, he'll develop if he's made to play the midfield role rather than playing as a SS/free role/winger. Long term, that's what we need him to become. A great attacking midfielder who can come deep and help out aswell as finish of chances and playing in a more advanced position.

I do agree that Ozil need to play a bit deeper but we will surely miss his efficiency/assists. sure it can be improved but it takes too much time for him to learn. we don't have too much time for this, actually we don't have any time for players developments. we are in a tight fight with Barcelona where we can only utilize our players by their main ability. on the other side Barcelona started it's developments from years ago and they are a finished product.
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Post by Babun on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:06 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:No Babun, i said one of the 3 man midfield can give the choke on Busquets as well, and benzema can focus on Pique.

but i woud rather have a natural 3 man presence in the midfied, not only to put more pressure on xaviesta but also to help us in the build up.

they gave xabi and khedira an awful time on wednesday.
:lol!:
Ok, have your 3 man midfield, as long as you're happy Very Happy I permit you Very Happy

If you put one midfielder on biscuit then he'll get tired out in no time ( larger chunk of space) Very Happy Keeping Pique busy is very easy, just stay at his shoulder Very Happy You want a central midfielder to alternate the job with Benz? You could do it but that midfielder has to go into CF position when Benz is on biscuit, it means striker qualities are needed, I can't think of anyone better than Ozil Very Happy

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:16 am

hmmm, you gave me something to think about, i will get back at you

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Post by Babun on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:37 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:hmmm, you gave me something to think about, i will get back at you
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Post by The Madrid One on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:40 am

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:51 am

Actually, Benz was the one pressing busquets in both games, which pushed Xabi closer to the defense to help. Khedira was pressing Xavi from what I remember or covered Benz if busquets got past him. We only played really pressing defense when Barca had the ball on their side of the field.... Reason for the cf just getting toasted physically.

Ozil, cr7, Xabi and ceontrao/di Maria shaded more towards the sidelines. The middle of the pitch was up Benz, Khedira, pepe and Carvalho.... Really tough for these guys.

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Post by Babun on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:10 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Actually, Benz was the one pressing busquets in both games, which pushed Xabi closer to the defense to help. Khedira was pressing Xavi from what I remember or covered Benz if busquets got past him. We only played really pressing defense when Barca had the ball on their side of the field.... Reason for the cf just getting toasted physically.

Ozil, cr7, Xabi and ceontrao/di Maria shaded more towards the sidelines. The middle of the pitch was up Benz, Khedira, pepe and Carvalho.... Really tough for these guys.
Busquets didn't play in the first game and no, he wasn't pressing him alone, Ozil did it in turns with him. Source: watch the game Very Happy

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:17 pm

babun1024 wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:Actually, Benz was the one pressing busquets in both games, which pushed Xabi closer to the defense to help. Khedira was pressing Xavi from what I remember or covered Benz if busquets got past him. We only played really pressing defense when Barca had the ball on their side of the field.... Reason for the cf just getting toasted physically.

Ozil, cr7, Xabi and ceontrao/di Maria shaded more towards the sidelines. The middle of the pitch was up Benz, Khedira, pepe and Carvalho.... Really tough for these guys.
Busquets didn't play in the first game and no, he wasn't pressing him alone, Ozil did it in turns with him. Source: watch the game Very Happy

In the middle of the pitch, it was Benz. Ozil helped if benz was out of position or if Busquets (or whoever has the ball) drifted to the right. Did the same with Keita (or whoever had the ball) in the first leg. Basically, CR7 had responsibility for the players drifting left and Ozil for the one's drifting right... the original responsibility was Benz and then the midfield participated based on where the ball went. Khedira and Coentrao (di maria for a bit) supported from the midfield.

Bracketing at its best and very deep in barca territory.

PS... and i just watched the first 10 mins of the second leg to make sure i hadn't dreamt it and that's exactly what was happening.

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:49 pm

And i think we're saying the same thing babun lol.

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