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Post by sportsczy Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:54 pm

Doc wrote:
futbol_bill wrote:Puyol wasn't a good defender?

Apparently...

He became good when he got older like Pepe. Not when he was younger in my eyes.

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Post by futbol_bill Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:46 am

sportsczy wrote:
Doc wrote:
futbol_bill wrote:Puyol wasn't a good defender?

Apparently...

He became good when he got older like Pepe.  Not when he was younger in my eyes.


scratchhmm

futbol_bill wrote:Add to the list Marques, De Boer, Zambrotta!!!

This is just Sports at it again. The surprise is is he didn't include Umtiti along with Abidal as the only good defenders. His french bias is ridiculous. Being Spanish, Dutch, Italian or Mexican doesn’t rate in Sports' books!
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Post by sportsczy Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:35 am

I'm talking about the recent era btw.  My comment was about a barca fan wondering why they don't get many clean sheets this season.

My response was that their defense was predicated on extreme possession once Pep took over until very recently.  It wasn't about defenders having to be great... but complete midfield dominance.  The focus was more technical ability, even with defenders.

Now that the midfield dominance is gone, you need defenders that can play defense.  Once the late 2000s defenders went away, Barca recruited technique in the back 4, not defense.  The fullbacks are/were mostly known for attacking prowess while a lot of of the CBs were decent, but mostly technical.  Had a few good ones of course.  But never a defensive back 4 that you would consider "elite" other than Alves-Pique-Puyol-Abidal during the Pep era.  That was the only truly great back 4 that i remember over the past 10-12 years for Barca.
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Post by M99 Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:02 am

sportsczy wrote:
Doc wrote:
futbol_bill wrote:Puyol wasn't a good defender?

Apparently...

He became good when he got older like Pepe. Not when he was younger in my eyes.


He was already old when playing with Pique.

And he was twice the player Pique and Abidal was, by far Barca's best defender.
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Post by Doc Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:35 pm

Yeah, Puyol as a FB wasn't exactly the best. He actually had the same rashness as Ramos at FB. The moment he went to CB, everything changed. And yeah, twice the defender Abidal and Pique was/is.

That being said, I see the point Sports is making. Their possession did make it easier on the back line but Spain, coming down to the end of their cycle, still maintained possession and still got pummeled in the World Cup. Even with possession, you still need a competent back line and Barcelona had it. More than competent. Also, kinda disrespectful to pretend Dani Alves wasn't a good defender.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:46 pm

Good tactics making it easier for defenders, shocker
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:30 pm

What a golazo by Odegaard

Off you went Modric in you come Odegaard
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:49 pm

Odegaard's throughballs are bordering on Ozil level

Chimy Avila will not be playing for Osasuna for long. So much better than relegation scrap player
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:13 pm

sportsczy wrote:I'm talking about the recent era btw.  My comment was about a barca fan wondering why they don't get many clean sheets this season.

My response was that their defense was predicated on extreme possession once Pep took over until very recently.  It wasn't about defenders having to be great... but complete midfield dominance.  The focus was more technical ability, even with defenders.

Now that the midfield dominance is gone, you need defenders that can play defense.  Once the late 2000s defenders went away, Barca recruited technique in the back 4, not defense.  The fullbacks are/were mostly known for attacking prowess while a lot of of the CBs were decent, but mostly technical.  Had a few good ones of course.  But never a defensive back 4 that you would consider "elite" other than Alves-Pique-Puyol-Abidal during the Pep era.  That was the only truly great back 4 that i remember over the past 10-12 years for Barca.

You’re all over the map on this one. so now you’re restricting your biased view to last 10 or 12 years yet the defensive four you like, was the defensive setup for the majority of those years?
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:13 pm

This is a good reason why LaReal will get smashed in Europe. Play some beautiful football but cant defend for shit
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Post by Thimmy Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:54 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:This is a good reason why LaReal will get smashed in Europe. Play some beautiful football but cant defend for shit


Yeah, their defenders aren’t good. Our Castilla product, Diego Llorente is probably the worst of the lot.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:56 pm

The guy can't even judge the flight of a ball nevermind defend. Terrible from left to right, that defence
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Post by Doc Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:43 pm

They'll get smashed but they'll be entertaining nonetheless.
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Post by titosantill Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:31 pm

futbol_bill wrote:
sportsczy wrote:I'm talking about the recent era btw.  My comment was about a barca fan wondering why they don't get many clean sheets this season.

My response was that their defense was predicated on extreme possession once Pep took over until very recently.  It wasn't about defenders having to be great... but complete midfield dominance.  The focus was more technical ability, even with defenders.

Now that the midfield dominance is gone, you need defenders that can play defense.  Once the late 2000s defenders went away, Barca recruited technique in the back 4, not defense.  The fullbacks are/were mostly known for attacking prowess while a lot of of the CBs were decent, but mostly technical.  Had a few good ones of course.  But never a defensive back 4 that you would consider "elite" other than Alves-Pique-Puyol-Abidal during the Pep era.  That was the only truly great back 4 that i remember over the past 10-12 years for Barca.

You’re all over the map on this one. so now you’re restricting your biased view to last 10 or 12 years yet the defensive four you like, was the defensive setup for the majority of those years?


He is actually right on the money with that. It's easy to keep clean sheets and look great defensively when you have the ball substantially more than the opponent. Even stevie wonder could see that. I agree on his puyol stance as well, puyol was extremely eccentric in his younger years; more effort than anything else and on occasions could do things like defend a cross with his hands up
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Post by titosantill Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:34 pm

Doc wrote:They'll get smashed but they'll be entertaining nonetheless.


Aside from the big 2, they are the team I've watched most in la Liga this season. The fact I have no feelings towards La Real, it also makes it easier to watch em, I have no vested interest in them shud they win or lose and it's hardly a dull game. Some of their defensive lapses at times even adds some comic relief
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:13 pm

will take a close look at the new hot Real team of Vicinius, Rodrygo, Valverde
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Post by danyjr Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:37 pm

Where the hell is Muniain? Not even on the bench? Injured?
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Post by danyjr Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:40 pm

Vinicius is the new Gervinho. Looks like a world beater until the final ball and he turns into Emile Heskey Laughing
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Post by danyjr Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:42 pm

Iñaki Williams, another Dembélé type player whom Hänschen would love to have in his team hmm
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Post by danyjr Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:24 pm

Fucking Mendy. Where is Marcelo when you need him.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:56 pm

holy shit what a chance 10 seconds before the end

would have counted too, wasn't offside


anyway, shape looked good.
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Post by danyjr Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:56 pm

Man I hope this Fatzard guy is as good as Madrid fans claim him to be otherwise I foresee a multi-penetration performed by Pep and Co in Bernabéu.
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Post by danyjr Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:58 pm

Also time to laugh at the Jović to Suárez comparisons Laughing

The guy is nothing like Suárez. If anything he's more like Milik Laughing
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Post by titosantill Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:00 pm

well, that was quite dull. smh. we made simon look like he was special
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:00 pm

Can Utd take Bale off our hands please. So useless it's mindboggling he even gets minutes
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Post by titosantill Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:01 pm

danyjr wrote:Also time to laugh at the Jović to Suárez comparisons Laughing

The guy is nothing like Suárez. If anything he's more like Milik Laughing


jovic was compared to suarez? i think you're making that up
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