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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:09 pm

@futbol_bill wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Zidane has 0 interest in Eriksen, I can tell you it's Pogba, Ndombele and even Pjanic before Eriksen. All the "new" reports are just repeating the same information, there is nothing new lol, Zidane wants Pogba and he wants nothing to do with Eriksen, that's a player the club had engaged on their own


Obviously your memory is a little short!
me saying zidane wants pogba and only pogba =/= reports about eriksen or van de beek are false

like i said you are a dumbass who can't read, nor understand english.

go report this post

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:13 pm

wait did i miss something or i have not seen @hala hyping up Fabian on this board this week ?

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Post by Thimmy on Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:24 am

I bet that's what uncle Flo's face looked like over the course of the 2016-17 season.

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Post by Turok_TTZ on Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:24 am

eriksen needs to sign an extension or f*** off to some other team that ain't madrid.
I think Real Madrid interest is legit. the board and flo aint sharp in this instance.

What i find more amusing is the report about eriksen's agent is going to meet up with the brass just to find out interest. literal top kek.

jovic, mendy, hazard didnt have this problem. the difference being zidane approved of all 3.

I guess eriksen cant take the hint. think he would better his odds getting his agent to meet Zidane raher than the brass uptop.

better off in the dark anyways. eriksen cant improve us in any significant way and honestly dont see where he can play. we dont play with a 10 spot and even if we did hazard, isco > eriksen.

not enough quality to displace modric or kroos in cm either. and i highly doubt he would do any better as dm. Benz, casemiro > eriksen in dm.

cant see where he fits not in a 442, 4231, 433. not even a 41212.
What the heck do flo and the board see in eriksen? Maybe Zidane can remove all doubt but from what i hear, he aint sparing him a thought at allm

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Post by Doc on Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:17 pm

@futbol_bill wrote:Still made up stories eh Nick!

I think Nick has acknowledged that we do have some interest in Eriksen but firmly believes that it is just that: an interest. Pretty sure the club has many interests in many footballers.

I wanna agree but my religion forbids me to agree with Nick.

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Post by Cyborg on Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:04 pm

Ndombele signs with Spurs for 60mil

From the rhetoric here, thought he was Madrid bound


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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:21 pm

What a terrible loss for Madrid.

Keep on chasing Pogba.

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Post by Cyborg on Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:26 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:What a terrible loss for Madrid.

Keep on chasing Pogba.


So if Pogba really comes to Madrid, who does he replace in
the three man midfieldd. I'm assuming it's Modric.

Banter question, is Pogba a vast improvement on Ceballos?


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Post by futbol_bill on Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:53 pm

Cyborg, I THINK the argument is Modric is rotational this season. Question I have is who does he rotate with Kroos or possibly Casemiro, as Kroos is the only alternative to Casemiro!

Re Pogba, before Sports jumps in, sure he is much better than Ceballos, Today!!!

The other midfield option, besides bench player Fede, is Isco. He’s likely to leave, but apparently Zidane has said there is a reserve role for him if he stays!!!
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Post by Cyborg on Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:14 pm

@futbol_bill wrote:Cyborg, I THINK the argument is Modric is rotational this season. Question I have is who does he rotate with Kroos or possibly Casemiro, as Kroos is the only alternative to Casemiro!

Re Pogba, before Sports jumps in, sure he is much better than Ceballos, Today!!!

The other midfield option, besides bench player Fede, is Isco. He’s likely to leave, but apparently Zidane has said there is a reserve role for him if he stays!!!


I think Zidane sees Fede Valverde as Casemiro's sub

Kroos is starting for sure.

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Post by Thimmy on Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:34 pm

@Cyborg wrote:Ndombele signs with Spurs for 60mil

From the rhetoric here, thought he was Madrid bound



60m? That's a steal, if he's even half as good as people say he is. The sale of Kovacic could've almost funded his transfer.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:48 pm

Lyon are not daft it's 75 mil including some easy to reach bonuses

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Post by Turok_TTZ on Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:59 pm

not even trying for ndombele...
I think its a mistake but time will tell whether im right or wrong about that.

I guess Zidane really wants pogba that badly...

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Post by Thimmy on Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:33 pm

@Turok_TTZ wrote:eriksen needs to sign an extension or f*** off to some other team that ain't madrid.
I think Real Madrid interest is legit. the board and flo aint sharp in this instance.

What i find more amusing is the report about eriksen's agent is going to meet up with the brass just to find out interest. literal top kek.

jovic, mendy, hazard didnt have this problem. the difference being zidane approved of all 3.

I guess eriksen cant take the hint. think he would better his odds getting his agent to meet Zidane raher than the brass uptop.

better off in the dark anyways. eriksen cant improve us in any significant way and honestly dont see where he can play. we dont play with a 10 spot and even if we did hazard, isco > eriksen.

not enough quality to displace modric or kroos in cm either. and i highly doubt he would do any better as dm. Benz, casemiro > eriksen in dm.

cant see where he fits  not in a 442, 4231, 433. not even a 41212.
What the heck do flo and the board see in eriksen? Maybe Zidane can remove all doubt but from what i hear, he aint sparing him a thought at allm


I think that's an incredibly harsh assessment of Eriksen's talents. The argument that he's too similar in playing style to Kroos is valid. I also think it can sometimes be a bit frustrating to watch him when he, like Kroos, goes into safe mode and solely focuses on a tidy, safe passing game. It's the risky passes that he excels at, and I think he's at least as good as Kroos in that respect. It's a bit concerning how uncharacteristically poor he's been for Tottenham this season, but he's certainly an improvement on any of our current midfielders, as well as the vast mahority of the ones that are available to us. And despite his form, he's contributed largely to Heung Min Son having the most impressive stats in the PL since the latter hit his stride near the end of last year.

Players with his vision, positional intelligence and passing ability don't come around very often. To compare him to Isco is, quite frankly, an insult to him. The only area I can think of where Isco is better, is dribbling and ball control. He's completely two-footed, a set piece specialist, and he's comfortably better than isco in everything that revolves around passing and shooting. I would've certainly preferred De Bruyne, who's a cut above the rest, but Eriksen's definitely good enough for us. I believe the question is whether or not he fits in.  

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:35 am

@Doc wrote:
@futbol_bill wrote:Still made up stories eh Nick!

I think Nick has acknowledged that we do have some interest in Eriksen but firmly believes that it is just that: an interest. Pretty sure the club has many interests in many footballers.

I wanna agree but my religion forbids me to agree with Nick.
pretty much this, and it's not like im guessing, i mean, this is a summer where the club has leaked they are managing multiple options but there is a clear pecking order.

Thing is, when fans see a player linked to the club, now they assume the transfer is about to happen. It's just never that straight forward

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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:00 am

Ok Nick, I’ll agree with you. Perhaps you stating opinions that I perceived as facts is the issue for our disagreements. However I remain convinced that Neymar is not coming, pogba is doubtful, no RW will be coming and referring to an older disagreement, i still think Jovic will start before Vinicius, although there will be lots of initial rotation for that 3rd forward spot.

On a different matter, I now have the same opinion as you that no spanish youth, including canteras should come directly to Real Madrid unless they are ready for starter position. The exception would be for flexible squad players like Nacho or Lucas or practice GK. Getting to practice with big boys is BS and sitting on bench halts their development at a time when they need to play. I say this in particular with regards to Fabian. I feel the moves for Ceballos and Llorente are the best thing for them rather than sitting on the bench as Fede will do this season.
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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:24 pm

Pogba is not doubtful...

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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:26 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Pogba is not doubtful...


Noted!
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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:27 pm

Latest rumor of offer includes Bale!! Lol 😂
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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:39 pm

@futbol_bill wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:Pogba is not doubtful...


Noted!

I would say it's likely although not guaranteed. The issue Man U has is fan reaction to Pogba coming out and saying he wants a new project... and the locker room impact of it.

Hard to try and build around someone or get the fans behind the team when that player isn't embraced internally or externally.

Man U are forced to sell if they think logically. The know how Pogba plays if he's unhappy... he's a wc player; but he's not thick skinned.

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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:53 pm

Is this your way of backing out from saying not doubtful?

Or is this another case of my English not understanding an opinion vs a prediction or an opinion. I’m serious, I’m very confused lately in this forum as to what is a statement vs fact vs opinions!
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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:40 pm

I'm just saying it's not doubtful... it's likely. Likely doesn't mean 100%.

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Post by Turok_TTZ on Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:24 pm

@Thimmy wrote:
@Turok_TTZ wrote:eriksen needs to sign an extension or f*** off to some other team that ain't madrid.
I think Real Madrid interest is legit. the board and flo aint sharp in this instance.

What i find more amusing is the report about eriksen's agent is going to meet up with the brass just to find out interest. literal top kek.

jovic, mendy, hazard didnt have this problem. the difference being zidane approved of all 3.

I guess eriksen cant take the hint. think he would better his odds getting his agent to meet Zidane raher than the brass uptop.

better off in the dark anyways. eriksen cant improve us in any significant way and honestly dont see where he can play. we dont play with a 10 spot and even if we did hazard, isco > eriksen.

not enough quality to displace modric or kroos in cm either. and i highly doubt he would do any better as dm. Benz, casemiro > eriksen in dm.

cant see where he fits  not in a 442, 4231, 433. not even a 41212.
What the heck do flo and the board see in eriksen? Maybe Zidane can remove all doubt but from what i hear, he aint sparing him a thought at allm


I think that's an incredibly harsh assessment of Eriksen's talents. The argument that he's too similar in playing style to Kroos is valid. I also think it can sometimes be a bit frustrating to watch him when he, like Kroos, goes into safe mode and solely focuses on a tidy, safe passing game. It's the risky passes that he excels at, and I think he's at least as good as Kroos in that respect. It's a bit concerning how uncharacteristically poor he's been for Tottenham this season, but he's certainly an improvement on any of our current midfielders, as well as the vast mahority of the ones that are available to us. And despite his form, he's contributed largely to Heung Min Son having the most impressive stats in the PL since the latter hit his stride near the end of last year.

Players with his vision, positional intelligence and passing ability don't come around very often. To compare him to Isco is, quite frankly, an insult to him. The only area I can think of where Isco is better, is dribbling and ball control. He's completely two-footed, a set piece specialist, and he's comfortably better than isco in everything that revolves around passing and shooting. I would've certainly preferred De Bruyne, who's a cut above the rest, but Eriksen's definitely good enough for us. I believe the question is whether or not he fits in.  

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first off I would like to apologize I thought I posted a reply but I didn't. Blasted phone.

let's say everything what you say is true. if it is true, why are we so indifferent to eriksen?

can't blame everything on Pogba. the fact that we are still in it for Pogba only shows the gap or rather the perceived difference between Pogba and Erickson where one is clearly better than the other. now whether that's true or not doesn't even matter the only truth that matters is who the club is pursuing first.

Zidane wants Pogba and is more than happy to ignore everyone else for him. that suggest a couple of things. one of them being that Eriksen isn't good enough to even give Zidane pause about his relentless pursuit of Pogba. that eriksen may not fit with the tactical set-up that he is ideally looking for. or that zidane has confidence with what he currently has that he feels Eriksen isnt a big deal. reminder that we are not losing trust in Toni kroos or Isco. yes we are listening for offers about isco but zidane himself still believes in him. I don't see Eriksen displacing isco as it stands. he aint world class nor has he performances or titles to reflect your evaluation. keyword being titles. someone like Pogba on the other hand has his performances with Juventus and more importantly his world cup performances that speaks for itself. Erickson on the other hand has nothing in comparison. titles speak louder. always.

harsh? I'm not harsh at all. reality is harsh. at the end of the day it's Zidane's call.
as it stands currently his interest in Erickson is zero. I hear he even likes Van de beek more than eriksen.
would you be so daring as to questions zidane judgment? I trust Zidane a great deal. if he can ignore eriksen so easily, he must have a very good reason to do so.

@Sportsczy

like is too vague like could be like 51%
sorry to put you on the spot but be a little bit more specific. 75%, 66%.…. how confident are you that Pogba will choose us?
as I see it currently I do not believe he is joining us all things considered. too many variables getting in the way. for me he has a 33% chance of coming here.

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Post by Thimmy on Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:33 pm

@Turok_TTZ wrote:
@Thimmy wrote:
@Turok_TTZ wrote:eriksen needs to sign an extension or f*** off to some other team that ain't madrid.
I think Real Madrid interest is legit. the board and flo aint sharp in this instance.

What i find more amusing is the report about eriksen's agent is going to meet up with the brass just to find out interest. literal top kek.

jovic, mendy, hazard didnt have this problem. the difference being zidane approved of all 3.

I guess eriksen cant take the hint. think he would better his odds getting his agent to meet Zidane raher than the brass uptop.

better off in the dark anyways. eriksen cant improve us in any significant way and honestly dont see where he can play. we dont play with a 10 spot and even if we did hazard, isco > eriksen.

not enough quality to displace modric or kroos in cm either. and i highly doubt he would do any better as dm. Benz, casemiro > eriksen in dm.

cant see where he fits  not in a 442, 4231, 433. not even a 41212.
What the heck do flo and the board see in eriksen? Maybe Zidane can remove all doubt but from what i hear, he aint sparing him a thought at allm


I think that's an incredibly harsh assessment of Eriksen's talents. The argument that he's too similar in playing style to Kroos is valid. I also think it can sometimes be a bit frustrating to watch him when he, like Kroos, goes into safe mode and solely focuses on a tidy, safe passing game. It's the risky passes that he excels at, and I think he's at least as good as Kroos in that respect. It's a bit concerning how uncharacteristically poor he's been for Tottenham this season, but he's certainly an improvement on any of our current midfielders, as well as the vast mahority of the ones that are available to us. And despite his form, he's contributed largely to Heung Min Son having the most impressive stats in the PL since the latter hit his stride near the end of last year.

Players with his vision, positional intelligence and passing ability don't come around very often. To compare him to Isco is, quite frankly, an insult to him. The only area I can think of where Isco is better, is dribbling and ball control. He's completely two-footed, a set piece specialist, and he's comfortably better than isco in everything that revolves around passing and shooting. I would've certainly preferred De Bruyne, who's a cut above the rest, but Eriksen's definitely good enough for us. I believe the question is whether or not he fits in.  

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first off I would like to apologize I thought I posted a reply but I didn't. Blasted phone.

It's fine.

let's say everything what you say is true. if it is true, why are we so indifferent to eriksen?

can't blame everything on Pogba.

When does he ever get blamed for anything? I've criticized him a lot, but others seem to be willing to throw themselves in front of a bullet to save him, even if they clearly haven't watched how he's been playing for Man United over the past 3 friggin seasons. Then again, Those 3 years at Man United doesn't count because his individual contributions are somehow more team based than anything else Rolling Eyes


the fact that we are still in it for Pogba only shows the gap or rather the perceived difference between Pogba and Erickson where one is clearly better than the other. now whether that's true or not doesn't even matter the only truth that matters is who the club is pursuing first.

I'm not sure why Zidane is so insistent on getting Pogba. He mentioned in an interview that him an Pogba are friends on a personal level, but I like to think that there's more to it than the usual nepotism that people keep accusing him of. As for Eriksen, we've been linked to him for so many seasons now, and he hasn't expressed any desire to move until just recently. In contrast to Eden Hazard, who just had arguably the best season or even year of his career, Eriksen's coming off the back of probably his worst season since he burst onto the scene at Ajax, and the hype has died down. I don't think any of it is an indication of perceived lack of quality. If anything, he's likely not the type of midfielder that Zidane prefers. But I have no clue what Zidane's view is on this situation. My guess is as good as yours. I would assume if has to do with fitting in with Zidane's tactics.

Zidane wants Pogba and is more than happy to ignore everyone else for him.

Well, the interest is officlal, but all other details including Zidane's thoughts on the matter are mostly speculation at this point.

that suggest a couple of things. one of them being that Eriksen isn't good enough to even give Zidane pause about his relentless pursuit of Pogba. that eriksen may not fit with the tactical set-up that he is ideally looking for. or that zidane has confidence with what he currently has that he feels Eriksen isnt a big deal. reminder that we are not losing trust in Toni kroos or Isco. yes we are listening for offers about isco but zidane himself still believes in him. I don't see Eriksen displacing isco as it stands. he aint world class nor has he performances or titles to reflect your evaluation. keyword being titles. someone like Pogba on the other hand has his performances with Juventus and more importantly his world cup performances that speaks for itself. Erickson on the other hand has nothing in comparison. titles speak louder. always.

Eriksen carried his national team past the group stages in the last world cup, and he was fantastic while they were still in the tournament. France have an incomparable, absolutely star studded team. Winning the world cup is a fantastic achievement, but we both know that winning it isn't a definite indication of a single player's individual quality. "World cup winner" a nice title that the media likes to throw arbitrarily around when talking about players who've won it, but it's the result of a team effort more than anything else.

Pogba is uniquely talented. As Sports likes to point out, he's world class in that regard (talent), but his attitude and inconsistency for Man United should make you question his effectiveness over the course of a season. Talent means very little when it's not being put on display often enough to make a sustainable difference. His track record against big teams is outright depressing, as well. He can be a difference maker, but he has not shown that he can be one often enough to warrant the hype that's usually re-directed to his world cup achievement. I recommend watching him play for Man United next season, if he sticks around. Then again, I'm sure the blame for his mostly underwhelming performances over the course of a full season will be directed at his lack of happiness, which is the club's fault, as always.


harsh? I'm not harsh at all. reality is harsh. at the end of the day it's Zidane's call.
as it stands currently his interest in Erickson is zero. I hear he even likes Van de beek more than eriksen.
would you be so daring as to questions zidane judgment? I trust Zidane a great deal. if he can ignore eriksen so easily, he must have a very good reason to do so.

I don't get the impression that he's interested in Eriksen, either. I doubt Eriksen's coming to Madrid. Ideally, I'd prefer if we'd gone after a younger midfielder than Eriksen (27) and Pogba (26) now that we're actually doing this rebuild, but it is what it is. I'm merely pointing out that I find your criticism of Eriksen's quality quite puzzling based on how he's performed for humble Tottenham since he arrived there from Ajax. He's consistently been among the most effective midfielders in the league, and unlike with Pogba, I don't think his stats do him justice.

Generally speaking, I think people should be more critical of the things they read in the media. Contrary to popular belief, we, fans, don't have a clue what Zidane is thinking, and nor do the vast majority of journalists that write whatever the hell they want to create hype, or stage a controversial scenario. Again, I don't think Zidane possibly seeing Pogba as a better fit for his vision of our starting XI means anything, in regard to Eriksen's quality. As for reality check - watch Pogba over the course of a full league season and tell me that he's worthy of his physical and technical talent. It's wasted on him. His stats are more inflated than a hot air balloon.

@Sportsczy

like is too vague like could be like 51%
sorry to put you on the spot but be a little bit more specific. 75%, 66%.…. how confident are you that Pogba will choose us?
as I see it currently I do not believe he is joining us all things considered. too many variables getting in the way. for me he has a 33% chance of coming here.

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This should be an interesting week! It’s the self imposed deadline for signings. And sounds like lots of possibilities for sales. Let me be clear first off and say these are rumors or stories out there. Some or none of them may be true!

Sounds like renewed efforts for Pogba, including giving away Bale, (lol).

Eriksen kind of put on hold!

For the first time ever, there is a story out there that they may go after a RW (Mane) in reaction to Barca possibility going after both Griezmann and Neymar.

Reguilion confirmed after Medical to Sevilla.

Marcelo wants out and has offers.

James and Odegaard deals almost complete.

Lucas has offers.

Ceballos has offers

No rumors that I’ve heard of re Isco, Navas, Nacho, Vallejo, Mariano.

I wonder (there is a story that both Nacho and Vallejo stay) if Nacho remains as a LB backup, if there is any truth to the Marcelo story.


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