"Cruijff" football hugely overrated

Ion Creanga wrote:

jibers wrote:All you need to do is watch Barca for 5 minutes and you would see they don't play Cruyff football.

They play like a shite Italian team depending on a Trequartista who spends most of hi time walking like he just came straight from a siesta.

Cruyff Football with a 442


1.As for Ajax, yea, ovverated a squad that cost less than Bernado Silva...

2.I Mean Pep is only got 100 points with it...

3.I suppose the best football is the trash that Simeone and Allegri play because they both won the CL...O wait... both got embarrassed and Juve got humbled by "Cruyff Football".

1. Tottenham costed probably less, i don't get the point. Overrated squad when they were few seconds away from UCL final

2. Conte did 93 points in Premier League with Chelsea, Klopp did over 90, and they both didn't spent Pep's gazilions

3. Well, the trash football that Allegri and Simeone play, got them  into 4 UCL finals, with limited budget. Simeone was 2 times inches away from winning. While Pep gets beaten by almost every decent team in the knock-outs in UCL in the last 6 years, with much bigger resources

jibers wrote:

Ion Creanga wrote:

jibers wrote:All you need to do is watch Barca for 5 minutes and you would see they don't play Cruyff football.

They play like a shite Italian team depending on a Trequartista who spends most of hi time walking like he just came straight from a siesta.

Cruyff Football with a 442


1.As for Ajax, yea, ovverated a squad that cost less than Bernado Silva...

2.I Mean Pep is only got 100 points with it...

3.I suppose the best football is the trash that Simeone and Allegri play because they both won the CL...O wait... both got embarrassed and Juve got humbled by "Cruyff Football".

1. Tottenham costed probably less, i don't get the point. Overrated squad when they were few seconds away from UCL final

2. Conte did 93 points in Premier League with Chelsea, Klopp did over 90, and they both didn't spent Pep's gazilions

3. Well, the trash football that Allegri and Simeone play, got them  into 4 UCL finals, with limited budget. Simeone was 2 times inches away from winning. While Pep gets beaten by almost every decent team in the knock-outs in UCL in the last 6 years, with much bigger resources

1. Spusr squad cost €313m little less than Bayern Ajax cost €95m Over 3 times more!!! Because cruyff football is the reason they lost that game. They should have won with a squad that cost less than a 1/3rd?! Cruff football was the reason they went so far isnrtead of playing like cowards like Juve under Allegri.

2. Conte got like 102 points irrc wit Juve. Juve have won that joke of a league 8 years in a row! 0 competition. Pep's net spend is only about 50 mill more than uniteds but I guess we should be getting 90 points then There is a reason pep is the most sought after coacxh probably in history.

3. Simeone has a big budegt and great players yet his team still plays like trash. Atletico aren't under dogs anymore. His football is trash and all he does is put his team in the 18 yard box which is why Juve just pumped ball into the box to Ronaldo (your only strategy).

I mean I guess SAF is a bum then because he almost always outspent all the teams we got knocked out by and he won 2 cls in 25 years!

Ion Creanga wrote:

jibers wrote:

Ion Creanga wrote:


1. Tottenham costed probably less, i don't get the point. Overrated squad when they were few seconds away from UCL final

2. Conte did 93 points in Premier League with Chelsea, Klopp did over 90, and they both didn't spent Pep's gazilions

3. Well, the trash football that Allegri and Simeone play, got them  into 4 UCL finals, with limited budget. Simeone was 2 times inches away from winning. While Pep gets beaten by almost every decent team in the knock-outs in UCL in the last 6 years, with much bigger resources

1. Spusr squad cost €313m  little less than Bayern Ajax cost €95m Over 3 times more!!! Because cruyff football is the reason they lost that game. They should have won with a squad that  cost less than a 1/3rd?! Cruff football was the reason they went so far isnrtead of playing like cowards like Juve under Allegri.

2. Conte got like 102 points irrc wit Juve. Juve have won that joke of a league 8 years in a row! 0 competition.  Pep's net spend is only about 50 mill more than uniteds but I guess we should be getting 90 points then There is a reason pep is the most sought after coacxh probably in history.

3. Simeone has a big budegt and great players yet his team still plays like trash. Atletico aren't under dogs anymore. His football is trash and all he does is put his team in the 18 yard box which is why Juve just pumped ball into the box to Ronaldo (your only strategy).

I mean I guess SAF is a bum then because he almost always outspent all the teams we got knocked out by and he won 2 cls in 25 years!

1. Ajax costs 95 millions? Are you drunk? De Jong is already sold for like 80 to Barca, De Ligt will go for another 80 at least. They could get another 150 easily on Van de Beek, Neres and Ziyech combined

That's already over 300.

2. I don't see what Conte's record in Serie A has anything to do with my original point, which was that he did huge amount of points as Pep as well, with inferior squad and resources.

3. Simeone has a big budget, also because of the sales.

4. SAF hardly outspent other high-spending teams in Europe, such as Real Madrid, Chelsea, Juventus, Milan back in the days.  
He got a normal amount of UCLs, given the close gap between big teams. He was also present many times in later stages

jibers wrote:

Ion Creanga wrote:

jibers wrote:


1. Spusr squad cost €313m  little less than Bayern Ajax cost €95m Over 3 times more!!! Because cruyff football is the reason they lost that game. They should have won with a squad that  cost less than a 1/3rd?! Cruff football was the reason they went so far isnrtead of playing like cowards like Juve under Allegri.

2. Conte got like 102 points irrc wit Juve. Juve have won that joke of a league 8 years in a row! 0 competition.  Pep's net spend is only about 50 mill more than uniteds but I guess we should be getting 90 points then There is a reason pep is the most sought after coacxh probably in history.

3. Simeone has a big budegt and great players yet his team still plays like trash. Atletico aren't under dogs anymore. His football is trash and all he does is put his team in the 18 yard box which is why Juve just pumped ball into the box to Ronaldo (your only strategy).

I mean I guess SAF is a bum then because he almost always outspent all the teams we got knocked out by and he won 2 cls in 25 years!

1. Ajax costs 95 millions? Are you drunk? De Jong is already sold for like 80 to Barca, De Ligt will go for another 80 at least. They could get another 150 easily on Van de Beek, Neres and Ziyech combined

That's already over 300.

2. I don't see what Conte's record in Serie A has anything to do with my original point, which was that he did huge amount of points as Pep as well, with inferior squad and resources.

3. Simeone has a big budget, also because of the sales.

4. SAF hardly outspent other high-spending teams in Europe, such as Real Madrid, Chelsea, Juventus, Milan back in the days.  
He got a normal amount of UCLs, given the close gap between big teams. He was also present many times in later stages

1. I mean the actual cost of the team. Not MK Value. De Jong cost Ajax 1 Euro to sign De ligt is from their youth academy! as is van de Beel etc Spurs Squad cost, literally they paid 313 Mill europs to assemble that squad!

2. Yet he flopped in Europe consistently. Going out of the group stage to Galatasaray and blaming the weather Rube pls

3. Stil has spent money on top players yet his team play like trash. They are not underdogs. They ahve one of the best squads in Europe, end off. camping in their box against teams like Huesca whose players probably earn less than Atleticos cleaners!

4. okay lets do this....
94: EPL champs, went out second Round
95: 2nd on EPL, went out in group stage
96: EPL champs, Second round
97: 1st, SF
98: 2nd, QF
99: 1st, Winner
00: 1st QF
01: 1st, QF
02: 3rd, Sf
03:1st, QF
04:  3RD, ROUND OF 16
05: 3RD, ROUND OF 16
06: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
07: 1ST, SF
08: 1ST, WINNER
09: 1ST, FINALIST
10: 2ND, QF
11: 1ST, FINALIST
12: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
13: 1ST, ROUND OF 16


The only manager in history with a better record than Pep in the cl is Zidane.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

jibers wrote:

Ion Creanga wrote:


1. Ajax costs 95 millions? Are you drunk? De Jong is already sold for like 80 to Barca, De Ligt will go for another 80 at least. They could get another 150 easily on Van de Beek, Neres and Ziyech combined

That's already over 300.

2. I don't see what Conte's record in Serie A has anything to do with my original point, which was that he did huge amount of points as Pep as well, with inferior squad and resources.

3. Simeone has a big budget, also because of the sales.

4. SAF hardly outspent other high-spending teams in Europe, such as Real Madrid, Chelsea, Juventus, Milan back in the days.  
He got a normal amount of UCLs, given the close gap between big teams. He was also present many times in later stages

1. I mean the actual cost of the team. Not MK Value. De Jong cost Ajax 1 Euro to sign De ligt is from their youth academy! as is van de Beel etc Spurs Squad cost, literally they paid 313 Mill europs to assemble that squad!

2. Yet he flopped in Europe consistently. Going out of the group stage to Galatasaray and blaming the weather Rube pls

3. Stil has spent money on top players yet his team play like trash. They are not underdogs. They ahve one of the best squads in Europe, end off. camping in their box against teams like Huesca whose players probably earn less than Atleticos cleaners!

4. okay lets do this....
94: EPL champs, went out second Round
95: 2nd on EPL, went out in group stage
96: EPL champs, Second round
97: 1st, SF
98: 2nd, QF
99: 1st, Winner
00: 1st QF
01: 1st, QF
02: 3rd, Sf
03:1st, QF
04:  3RD, ROUND OF 16
05: 3RD, ROUND OF 16
06: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
07: 1ST, SF
08: 1ST, WINNER
09: 1ST, FINALIST
10: 2ND, QF
11: 1ST, FINALIST
12: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
13: 1ST, ROUND OF 16


The only manager in history with a better record than Pep in the cl is Zidane.

Jupp has the best record in CL

jibers wrote:

Ion Creanga wrote:

jibers wrote:


1. Spusr squad cost €313m  little less than Bayern Ajax cost €95m Over 3 times more!!! Because cruyff football is the reason they lost that game. They should have won with a squad that  cost less than a 1/3rd?! Cruff football was the reason they went so far isnrtead of playing like cowards like Juve under Allegri.

2. Conte got like 102 points irrc wit Juve. Juve have won that joke of a league 8 years in a row! 0 competition.  Pep's net spend is only about 50 mill more than uniteds but I guess we should be getting 90 points then There is a reason pep is the most sought after coacxh probably in history.

3. Simeone has a big budegt and great players yet his team still plays like trash. Atletico aren't under dogs anymore. His football is trash and all he does is put his team in the 18 yard box which is why Juve just pumped ball into the box to Ronaldo (your only strategy).

I mean I guess SAF is a bum then because he almost always outspent all the teams we got knocked out by and he won 2 cls in 25 years!

1. Ajax costs 95 millions? Are you drunk? De Jong is already sold for like 80 to Barca, De Ligt will go for another 80 at least. They could get another 150 easily on Van de Beek, Neres and Ziyech combined

That's already over 300.

2. I don't see what Conte's record in Serie A has anything to do with my original point, which was that he did huge amount of points as Pep as well, with inferior squad and resources.

3. Simeone has a big budget, also because of the sales.

4. SAF hardly outspent other high-spending teams in Europe, such as Real Madrid, Chelsea, Juventus, Milan back in the days.  
He got a normal amount of UCLs, given the close gap between big teams. He was also present many times in later stages

1. I mean the actual cost of the team. Not MK Value. De Jong cost Ajax 1 Euro to sign De ligt is from their youth academy! as is van de Beel etc Spurs Squad cost, literally they paid 313 Mill europs to assemble that squad!

2. Yet he flopped in Europe consistently. Going out of the group stage to Galatasaray and blaming the weather Rube pls

3. Stil has spent money on top players yet his team play like trash. They are not underdogs. They ahve one of the best squads in Europe, end off. camping in their box against teams like Huesca whose players probably earn less than Atleticos cleaners!

4. okay lets do this....
94: EPL champs, went out second Round
95: 2nd on EPL, went out in group stage
96: EPL champs, Second round
97: 1st, SF
98: 2nd, QF
99: 1st, Winner
00: 1st QF
01: 1st, QF
02: 3rd, Sf
03:1st, QF
04:  3RD, ROUND OF 16
05: 3RD, ROUND OF 16
06: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
07: 1ST, SF
08: 1ST, WINNER
09: 1ST, FINALIST
10: 2ND, QF
11: 1ST, FINALIST
12: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
13: 1ST, ROUND OF 16


The only manager in history with a better record than Pep in the cl is Zidane.

Ion Creanga wrote:

jibers wrote:

Ion Creanga wrote:


1. Ajax costs 95 millions? Are you drunk? De Jong is already sold for like 80 to Barca, De Ligt will go for another 80 at least. They could get another 150 easily on Van de Beek, Neres and Ziyech combined

That's already over 300.

2. I don't see what Conte's record in Serie A has anything to do with my original point, which was that he did huge amount of points as Pep as well, with inferior squad and resources.

3. Simeone has a big budget, also because of the sales.

4. SAF hardly outspent other high-spending teams in Europe, such as Real Madrid, Chelsea, Juventus, Milan back in the days.  
He got a normal amount of UCLs, given the close gap between big teams. He was also present many times in later stages

1. I mean the actual cost of the team. Not MK Value. De Jong cost Ajax 1 Euro to sign De ligt is from their youth academy! as is van de Beel etc Spurs Squad cost, literally they paid 313 Mill europs to assemble that squad!

2. Yet he flopped in Europe consistently. Going out of the group stage to Galatasaray and blaming the weather Rube pls

3. Stil has spent money on top players yet his team play like trash. They are not underdogs. They ahve one of the best squads in Europe, end off. camping in their box against teams like Huesca whose players probably earn less than Atleticos cleaners!

4. okay lets do this....
94: EPL champs, went out second Round
95: 2nd on EPL, went out in group stage
96: EPL champs, Second round
97: 1st, SF
98: 2nd, QF
99: 1st, Winner
00: 1st QF
01: 1st, QF
02: 3rd, Sf
03:1st, QF
04:  3RD, ROUND OF 16
05: 3RD, ROUND OF 16
06: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
07: 1ST, SF
08: 1ST, WINNER
09: 1ST, FINALIST
10: 2ND, QF
11: 1ST, FINALIST
12: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
13: 1ST, ROUND OF 16


The only manager in history with a better record than Pep in the cl is Zidane.

1. But you're ignoring that Spurs sold Bale, Modric and so on for huge sums. Their net spent is close to 0. Ali was 5 mils, Kane was from academy etc

2. Conte flopped in UCL 1 time in groups, yes, so did Klopp twice with Dortmund in the beginning. Juve was not experienced at that point in Europe. I still don't know what it has to do with his league record in England

3. Atletico got to the point to afford expensive players, because of the previous Simeone performances. And like i said, he also sells for big money. THey already sold Hernandez this year to Bayern for 80 millions. So their net spend is low

4. Yes, but SAF built his way to United, Pep joins stacked teams. So they don't start from the same point. It's not fair to compare their record. Very different circumstances.

Pep could compete for CL only with prime Barca players. Even Luis Enrique won the UCL when having unbelivable squad with MSN. For 3 years at City, Pep didn't get past quarters, lost to Monaco and Spurs.

Zidane, Klopp, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Heynckes for example come into discussion as well

jibers wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:

jibers wrote:


1. I mean the actual cost of the team. Not MK Value. De Jong cost Ajax 1 Euro to sign De ligt is from their youth academy! as is van de Beel etc Spurs Squad cost, literally they paid 313 Mill europs to assemble that squad!

2. Yet he flopped in Europe consistently. Going out of the group stage to Galatasaray and blaming the weather Rube pls

3. Stil has spent money on top players yet his team play like trash. They are not underdogs. They ahve one of the best squads in Europe, end off. camping in their box against teams like Huesca whose players probably earn less than Atleticos cleaners!

4. okay lets do this....
94: EPL champs, went out second Round
95: 2nd on EPL, went out in group stage
96: EPL champs, Second round
97: 1st, SF
98: 2nd, QF
99: 1st, Winner
00: 1st QF
01: 1st, QF
02: 3rd, Sf
03:1st, QF
04:  3RD, ROUND OF 16
05: 3RD, ROUND OF 16
06: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
07: 1ST, SF
08: 1ST, WINNER
09: 1ST, FINALIST
10: 2ND, QF
11: 1ST, FINALIST
12: 2ND, GROUP STAGE
13: 1ST, ROUND OF 16


The only manager in history with a better record than Pep in the cl is Zidane.

Jupp has the best record in CL

Weel Juup and Zidane. Forgot about Juup

Jibers wrote:How did Bayern do in the cl after Pep left?

Jibers wrote:At City where were they ebfore pep
joined

Ion Creanga wrote:How did Bayern do, when Heynckes left and Pep tookover?

BarcaLearning wrote:Came across this at the right time:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-football-s-new-age-neutralises-philosophies-of-the-past-1.3874358?mode=amp

Ion Creanga wrote:Ok, not to prolongue this madness forever, i'm just gonna turn these final 2 points with your own logic

Jibers wrote:How did Bayern do in the cl after Pep left?

How did Bayern do, when Heynckes left and Pep tookover?
Exactly.

Jibers wrote:At City where were they ebfore pep
joined

UCL semi-final 2016

Nuff said.

titosantill wrote:what concerns me most is this post by danyjr. does anyone know the back story to as to why he had to cheap shot the other boxer? that had to be personal. you can press charges for that kind of attack