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Post by Luca on Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:52 pm

Pavon must have slammed 6 crosses right into the first defender in the second half. It was miraculous

I believe it was Pavon anyways

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Post by Babun on Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:54 pm

The shit corners were by Banega mostly, sometimes by Di Maria but still not good enough. The winger on the right with crap crosses was Pavon. Messi couldn't pass to the wings or in one twos at all. His passes were intercepted all the time.

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Post by M99 on Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:56 pm

@S wrote:Just checked the schedule

France-Argentina followed by Uruguay-Portugal on the same day(this Saturday)

Damn, that would be one tense day


Both matches have the potential to cure insomnia.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:57 pm

@Luca wrote:Pavon must have slammed 6 crosses right into the first defender in the second half. It was miraculous

I believe it was Pavon anyways


I like Pavon but more for his pace and dribbling ability and just being an out ball.

His crossing seems quite poor.
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Post by sportsczy on Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:58 pm

@Babun wrote:In theory, France is superior in every way possible. Realisticaly, France is really suspect to an early goal. Deschamp's setup is not good for fast comebacks or scoring lots of goals. If Argentina scores early byt some brainfart or individual brilliance France would be in pain. In 7/10 games, France would win though.

We don't concede goals Babs... only one is that crazy Umtit handball. Heck, we don't concede many chances period.

That's the only good part about our tournament. We're solid as hell. But i think Deschamps is emphasizing defense way too much. Our midfield is too defensive and it leaves our forwards stranded. Without Mendy playing, our fullbacks aren't good offensive threats either.

Strangely, due to choices and tactics, we're a super defensive team. Ugly to watch.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:01 pm

I mean I wouldn't be that convinced by a defence which has faced Australia, Denmark and Peru.

They might not concede chances, who knows but until you face better competition we don't know that.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:04 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@Luca wrote:Pavon must have slammed 6 crosses right into the first defender in the second half. It was miraculous

I believe it was Pavon anyways


I like Pavon but more for his pace and dribbling ability and just being an out ball.

His crossing seems quite poor.
He also comes in after the 60th minute so his pace looks even faster by comparison, wonder how he would do with a full 90 minutes.

Anyways much better than ADM

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Post by Babun on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:05 pm

@sportsczy wrote:
@Babun wrote:In theory, France is superior in every way possible. Realisticaly, France is really suspect to an early goal. Deschamp's setup is not good for fast comebacks or scoring lots of goals. If Argentina scores early byt some brainfart or individual brilliance France would be in pain. In 7/10 games, France would win though.

We don't concede goals Babs... only one is that crazy Umtit handball. Heck, we don't concede many chances period.

That's the only good part about our tournament. We're solid as hell. But i think Deschamps is emphasizing defense way too much. Our midfield is too defensive and it leaves our forwards stranded. Without Mendy playing, our fullbacks aren't good offensive threats either.

Strangely, due to choices and tactics, we're a super defensive team. Ugly to watch.

That defence will face Messi + Di Maria & Co. + ........................



+Var team which gives soft pens :coffee:

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Post by sportsczy on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:29 pm

They have to get through our midfield first.... namely, Kante, Pogba and Matuidi. Not to mention we turn that around and counter with Griezmann and Mbappe.

It's so defensive, it makes me ill actually. Waste of offensive talent. I hate Deschamps.

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Post by Luca on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:30 pm

Don't say get through Pogba and Matuidi like its a thing

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Post by Freeza on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:38 pm

Argentina worst team to make L16. They may even be the worst South American team in the cup, even if they make it the farthest.

Didn't deserve to win vs Nigeria

Didn't do shit against a half-strength Iceland

France will win this comfortably

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Post by sportsczy on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:39 pm

It is.  They're committed on NT...  very different than club.  It's Matuidi's last WC and Pogba sees this as a way to re-establish himself.  They've both dropped all pretenses.  Pogba has been quite impressive actually.  Matuidi's been pretty good too (and I expected nothing given his season at Juve).

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Post by CBarca on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:51 pm

What has France shown that numpties like Iceland and Nigeria haven't?

Argentina 3-1 France, book it.

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Post by zigra on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:53 pm

@CBarca wrote:What has France shown that numpties like Iceland and Nigeria haven't?

Argentina 3-1 France, book it.

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They don't really need more than Iceland though hmm

Unless you think Argentina can win a shootout. Which obviously would be an absurd thing to believe.
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Post by Kebab on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:56 pm

France is better opponent for Argentina than Uruguay or Denmark. Because lesser teams park the bus and it was problem for Argentina in all their matches. In an open match Argentina's front line will show their true strength


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Post by Luca on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:00 am

Neither France or Argentina will make this an open match

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Post by CBarca on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:01 am

@zigra wrote:
@CBarca wrote:What has France shown that numpties like Iceland and Nigeria haven't?

Argentina 3-1 France, book it.

Get in


They don't really need more than Iceland though hmm

Unless you think Argentina can win a shootout. Which obviously would be an absurd thing to believe.


Nah that's a fair point tbh

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Post by zigra on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:03 am

@Kebab wrote:France is better opponent for Argentina than Uruguay or Denmark. Because lesser teams park the bus and it was problem for Argentina in all their matches. In an open match Argentina's front line will show their true strength


Just no.

Croatia had 43% possession, on what planet is that parking the bus? Laughing
Only Iceland really parked it.
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Post by Kebab on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:06 am

@zigra wrote:
@Kebab wrote:France is better opponent for Argentina than Uruguay or Denmark. Because lesser teams park the bus and it was problem for Argentina in all their matches. In an open match Argentina's front line will show their true strength


Just no.

Croatia had 43% possession, on what planet is that parking the bus? Laughing
Only Iceland really parked it.
I dont know about possession but Croatia always defended with 10 men when Argentina had the ball

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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:07 am

@CBarca wrote:What has France shown that numpties like Iceland and Nigeria haven't?

Argentina 3-1 France, book it.

Get in

We win? And we play Serie A type tactics of the past... namely, if the current result is to your advantage, focus on not conceding. That's just how Deschamps is.

So unless we need to score to get a result (which we will against Argentina; so I expect more attacking desire), you're going to see us play conservatively.

If you've watched France under Deschamps, you'd realize by now that the attack is very dependent on the offensive capabilities of the fullbacks. Enormously important. But with Hernandez and Pavard, our fullbacks are defensive... so we struggle with width.

Mendy not being completely fit was an early blow. Love Hernandez... but we need Mendy's threat on the attack. I don't necessarily like Sidibe better than Pavard however.

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Post by 80s_Stallone on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:07 am

Argentina are going to turn this around.

The first 2 games Messi looked like a scared little boy; there was no joy on his face.

While it was probably more relief than anything else, he looked comfortable on the pitch today especially after the game.

I think win or go home they will be able to increase their level like they did today
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Post by zigra on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:11 am

@Kebab wrote:
@zigra wrote:
@Kebab wrote:France is better opponent for Argentina than Uruguay or Denmark. Because lesser teams park the bus and it was problem for Argentina in all their matches. In an open match Argentina's front line will show their true strength


Just no.

Croatia had 43% possession, on what planet is that parking the bus? Laughing
Only Iceland really parked it.
I dont know about possession but Croatia always defended with 10 men when Argentina had the ball


You said they parked the bus when in reality they simply defended well. That's a massive difference. Really the only team that parked the bus against Argentina was Iceland.
Just because a team sits back a bit or plays somewhat defensive doesn't mean it parks the bus.

You just can't say a team with more than 40% possession (and more shouts than its opponent) parked the bus.
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Post by 80s_Stallone on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:22 am

@Kebab wrote:
@zigra wrote:
@Kebab wrote:France is better opponent for Argentina than Uruguay or Denmark. Because lesser teams park the bus and it was problem for Argentina in all their matches. In an open match Argentina's front line will show their true strength


Just no.

Croatia had 43% possession, on what planet is that parking the bus? Laughing
Only Iceland really parked it.
I dont know about possession but Croatia always defended with 10 men when Argentina had the ball


Organized team defending =/= parking the bus
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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:34 am

Griezmann nailed it when asked whether he was disappointed with the performance:

"Frustrated? No, I am used to playing like that..." Griezmann told journalists in the mixed zone. "At club level, we play that way often. It is true that it was not very pretty to see at the stadium or on TV -- I am sorry for the people who expected lots of goals or nice moves, which was not the case here."

France does play like Atleti Laughing  Deschamps :facepalm: Maybe he's doing this because he feels it fits Griezmann the best and he's building around him. What a numpty.

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Post by Luca on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:38 am

There are no trophies for playing beautifully in the group stage of all places

Seems quite similar to Euro 2016... in fact, the group stage for France was nearly identical
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Post by sportsczy on Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:42 am

@Luca wrote:There are no trophies for playing beautifully in the group stage of all places

Seems quite similar to Euro 2016... in fact, the group stage for France was nearly identical

Only difference was that we were chasing the score until late in the game at the Euro in pool play.  So we often ended up attacking more and more and more.  Very different games.  In the WC, the only time where we were chasing a result for a while was against Australia... and they fouled the shit out of us.  Against Peru, we scored fairly early and then sat back.  With Denmark, 0-0 won the group so it was up to the Danes to attack us, which they didn't because 0-0 got them through as well.  

It's a results driven thing.  I just don't think playing like Atleti is a good fit for the talent that we have.  France could be far more ambitious than that.

But then again, under Jacquet, we played like this too and won the WC in 98.  We opened up once Jacquet left.

I don't have to like it.

THAT SAID, we opened it up big time in the Euro elimination rounds other than the German game (we played Atleti style).

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