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Post by S on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:02 pm

After watching Spain today, there's still some hope for Russia in this game?


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Post by Myesyats on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:07 pm

if Aspas starts instead of the donkey that is Costa then no

Also Koke should play instead of Iniesta for the good of Spain and Europe in general

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:09 pm

@S wrote:After watching Spain today, there's still some for Russia in this game?


Nah, as little as I think of Spain there's no way Russia beats them lol.
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Post by sportsczy on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:10 pm

Spain will slaughter Russia... worst possible outcome for Russia other than Germany. They cannot handle possession teams.

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Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:20 pm

Spain won't slaughter no team. Probably the only team I've watched in this WC that have to pass every single member of the XI to go from one wing to another. Hierro needs to take out one one of these midfielders who look identical to each other and put on a winger

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Post by Doc on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:25 pm

@halamadrid2 wrote:Spain won't slaughter no team. Probably the only team I've watched in this WC that have to pass every single member of the XI to go from one wing to another. Hierro needs to take out one one of these midfielders who look identical to each other and put on a winger

Lucas and Asensio would probably offer as much as any of the midfielders now.

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Post by El Gunner on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:34 pm

@Myesyats wrote:
Also Koke should play instead of Iniesta for the good of Spain and Europe in general

why?
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Post by futbol_bill on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:40 pm

Reminder, object of group play is 1st to qualify and 2nd is to hopefully get first. Mission accomplished. Now the real tournament begins. Good teans build slowly.
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Post by Myesyats on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:41 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
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Also Koke should play instead of Iniesta for the good of Spain and Europe in general

why?

Haven't you seen the game? Iniesta is very wasteful, Spain would be so much better off with Koke or Asensio instead.

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Post by futbol_bill on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:47 pm

I disagree.
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Post by futbol_bill on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:48 pm

Bring on Koke, Asensio, Thiago after 70 minutes
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Post by futbol_bill on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:48 pm

Iniesta has been better than Silva
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:48 pm

I disagree as well. The midfield that started tonight should continue to do so for the rest of the tournament, with Asensio being first option off the bench for attacking purposes, and Koke for holding purposes.
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:49 pm

@futbol_bill wrote:Bring on Koke, Asensio, Thiago after 70 minutes

who would you rather start next to Busquets instead of Thiago?
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Post by futbol_bill on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:49 pm

Asensio (and yes I am a fan ) has done nothing in his 2 appearances.
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Post by Myesyats on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:50 pm

@futbol_bill wrote:Bring on Koke, Asensio, Thiago after 70 minutes

Yeah that's another option, I know for sure that Iniesta shouldn't play 90 minutes of every game. More fresh blood is needed, but reasonable balance is important.

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Post by futbol_bill on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:50 pm

It’s either Thiago or Koke. i’m Ok with either one
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:51 pm

Spain have been weak throughout. Russia can take them.

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Post by Zagadka on Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:52 pm

How can any "sane" person claim Spain would slaughter ANY team after watching them so far?

Their defense can easily be gotten at. They'll be playing in front of pumped up 80k crowd against a rested Russian side.

I reckon draw after 90 mins and Spain win in ET because Russians will be knackered.
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Post by CBarca on Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:15 am

Seconding Spain killing Russia.

Benching Iniesta is dumb too. He's the greatest big game player of all time. Maybe he doesn't play the full game, that's fine, but you need Iniesta in the knockouts of a WC.

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Post by rincon on Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:17 am

Russia will just hoof it to Dzyuba who will win 9/10 duels up front and hope the ball bounces to Cheryshev and Golovin.

Spain, sadly, got this.
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Post by Luca on Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:26 am

Spain surely unless Golovin becomes Zidane overnight (is there a drug for that?)

I can't see Spain benching Iniesta now, seems silly to play through him given the other options in the team but you live and die through such choices

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Post by iftikhar on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:51 am

Spain has been unimpressive but Russia has been pure ordinary. In theory, Spain will win (there won't be slaughter, BTW) but I have voted Russia.
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Post by futbol_bill on Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:14 pm

There are lots of doubts here in Spain about this team. The doubts begin with Hierro, after the ridiculous dismissal of Lopetequi.

Next is De Gea with now and open call for Kepa.

then it’s defense and generally their openness to counters, like the misread between Ramos and Iniesta yesterday. Defense in this regard is considered Ramos, Pique, Alba, Carvajal and Busquets. Then there is the issue of defense of set plays and finally the not up to form of Carvajal. However, these are the best we have, including portero, so solution has to be better concentration.

Next is offense with Silva, Iniesta mostly being questioned. Also performance of Aspas. Perhaps answer to play with 2 strikers, Aspas the second at the expense of Silva plus sub of Iniesta after 60 minutes. Alternatives are Koke or Thiago (depending on who starts), Saul, Asensio and finally Lucas.

In other words, talent is there, but severe doubts re coach.

road forward is positive, Russia and then likely Croatia and then either Belgium or England. All of whom are beatable IF they play up to the talent level.

All this is the positive outlook, but as I said, entire country is extremely doubtful, based on current form.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:56 pm

The talent is there but it's ill-proportioned.

That's my problem and it's been the problem since 2014.
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