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Post by rincon on Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:28 pm

@Farfan

Again, how are you defining elite? I'm not talking about the club, the infrastructure or the history. Two teams play a game, performing is all takes to better or worse.

Given Madrid's performances this season, the unrest in the team, axing a coach, appointing a rookie, losing to Atletico, losing to Wolfsburg, weekly flipping on every player being either a "total scrub" or the "best in the world", you don't get the impression that Madrid is having a particularly good season.

Win the CL, win a tough semi, beat Barca to the title, or lose the CL while impressing with a top performance, overtake Atletico, either way, a team has to do SOMETHING of note to be so unquestionably better.

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Post by RealGunner on Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:59 pm

Barca, Bayern, Madrid, Atleti and Juve are the top 5 teams. Putting them in order is anyone's opinion

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Post by Killer on Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:38 pm

City>Barca Laughing ah ah ah

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Post by CBarca on Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:41 pm

farfan-Rincon argument is missing the fact that Madrid historically have gotten the easiest draws to the semis each year.

2014 was deserved though, admittedly. They faced tough teams that year

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Post by M99 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:02 am

@CBarca wrote:farfan-Rincon argument is missing the fact that Madrid historically have gotten the easiest draws to the semis each year.

2014 was deserved though, admittedly. They faced tough teams that year


Last year they faced the same team that eliminated you this this year in the quarter finals.

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Post by Doc on Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:37 am

Historically is an odd word to use. More like "recently" and "judging from a couple of seasons" because Madrid spent 7 years not knowing what a quarter final UCL tie looked like. And when they actually made past the R16, the teams they faced were:

2011: Lyon, Tottenham, Barcelona (lost)
2012: CSKA, APOEL, Bayern (lost)
2013: United, Gala, Dortmund (lost)
2014: Schalke, Dortmund, Bayern, Alteti (win)
2015: Schalke, Atleti, Juve (lost)
2016: Roma, Wolfsburg, Somebody

So I'll admit, Madrid's route to the semis has been favourable for them sometimes with respect to team they faced those respective years.

2012 and 2013 were favourable years imo. 2011 just looked easy but that was on the back of 7 years of gross underachieving so I would take that into consideration. 2016 also looks very easy on paper but on the field, Madrid had to work like a sled dog to get their wins. Still a favourable road to the semis though.

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Post by CBarca on Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:23 am

@M99 wrote:
@CBarca wrote:farfan-Rincon argument is missing the fact that Madrid historically have gotten the easiest draws to the semis each year.

2014 was deserved though, admittedly. They faced tough teams that year


Last year they faced the same team that eliminated you this this year in the quarter finals.


Cool. Go ahead and look for yourself. Actually, Doc did it for you.

Fair to say that "recently" is a better word, Doc. I mostly agree with you anyhow.

Though if we're going to mention that fact we should also mention that last year Atletico wasn't really the same, intimidating team they were the year before or this year. In fact, they were 2 points from finishing out of CL places.

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Post by M99 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:34 am

Yeah, I only count three years out of those easy draws (2011, 2012, 2016).

I don't count Fergie's title winning Man Utd, last year's Atletico and Dortmund as easy draws.

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Post by Doc on Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:52 am

Take into consideration last season Atleti were the team Madrid could not win a single match against in both La Liga and Copa Del Rey including a 4-0 ass whopping at the Calderon. Madrid genuinely struggles against Simeone's Atletico regardless of their position in the league.

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Post by sportsczy on Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:05 am

@RealGunner wrote:Barca, Bayern, Madrid, Atleti and Juve are the top 5 teams. Putting them in order is anyone's opinion


I like Juve... but i don't understand their ranking.  They couldn't even make it to the elimination rounds until last year and they finished second in their group (to City) + got bumped out by Bayern in the round of 1/8 this season.

One final and absolutely nothing else for a while.  Yet somehow they're a top 5 elite team?

Don't get me wrong... they're good.  But they're more on par with Dortmund for me than the true elite, mainly because they don't have the money to build an elite team with foreign players mostly and the next crop of WC Italian players haven't arrived yet.

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Post by Valkyrja on Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:17 am

Not more than the best Barcelona team ever. DAT attacking duo SN with Messi behind them is going to torment defenses for years. Not.

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Post by M99 on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:26 am

They outdone themselves this time. No team in CL history will ever match up to their level of scrubbishness.

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Post by Winter is Coming on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:30 am

Ancelotti, Lablanc and now Emery Laughing

I wonder who the next big manager will be at PSG Mou, Pep or Conte?

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Post by S on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:53 am

Clowns claiming Ibra was the problem and thinking they'll win CL without him

Show up please

Ibra gave them that elite mentality. They don't even have that now ffs
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Post by Doc on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:57 am

Someone need to change the subtitle, they actually reached a newer low.

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Post by zigra on Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:27 am

Could be updated every season.
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Post by free_cat on Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:49 am

For them to lose a 4-0 advantadge disgracefully, they first had to gain it. And they did it in style. PSG outplayed us badly in Paris, more than we did. Their goals were all beautifully crafted, with no obvious mistakes from our defenders, and from open play. While all of our goals were either incredible defensive mistakes, set pieces and a one refereeing mistake. While we played well, they were better overall because of their routing in Paris and deserved to go through.

So I won't bash them as much as people in here, and especially Emery because his players let him down (Marquinhos making the most mistakes a defender has ever done, Cavani scrubbing 2 great opportuniities and Di Maria one)

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Post by Doc on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:02 pm

PSG blew a 4-0 aggregate lead Free. Barcelona or Real Madrid do that and every fan expects to see Lucho/Zidane to resign or fired with immediate effect. The bashing they are receiving is absolutely spot on.

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Post by rincon on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:24 pm

No need to treat PSG with kid gloves. If this happened to us, Allegri would resign during the post match interview. Lucho and Zidane would get eaten alive. Etc.
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Post by free_cat on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:28 pm

Yeah, but PSG is not Barça or Madrid. How they trashed us, that was an on par footballing achievement than our comeback.

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Post by rincon on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:30 pm

They want to be. They have been spending absurd amounts of money and signing stars since their new ownership with the objective of being the best. They won their league for years and their objective was the CL. And this happened. Literally a defeat so big that it had never been seen in a UEFA competition.
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Post by zigra on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:34 pm

Doesn't matter who or what they are. You don't blow a 4 goal advantage. Not sure if it's true but going by the articles before the game PSG are the first team ever to blow a 4 goal win in the CL and they even won 4-0 meaning Barca had no away goals. It's absurd.
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Post by Doc on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:41 pm

PSG beating Barcelona 4-0 would have only looked like a great achievement if they didn't go on to lose 6-1 in the 2nd leg. Free you're being awfully and ridiculously kind to PSG. I know you guys won and I know that euphoric feeling of victory but PSG blew a 4-0 lead. 4 goals to nil. And PSG ain't Leeds United, they (as Rincon put it) have spent absurd amounts of money and have serious ambitions to be on the level of the more established big clubs of Europe.

It's probably the most perplexing result I have ever seen.

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Post by rincon on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:43 pm

@zigra wrote:Doesn't matter who or what they are. You don't blow a 4 goal advantage. Not sure if it's true but going by the articles before the game PSG are the first team ever to blow a 4 goal win in the CL and they even won 4-0 meaning Barca had no away goals. It's absurd.


Not in CL or EL or UEFA Cup or anything. At least that was the stat from UEFA themselves. It has never happened in their competitions. This by a supposed "top" team too.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:29 pm

Why are they getting defended like they're some obscure club from Eastern Europe that happened to get trashed.

No, PSG don't get special treatment. You don't come along and spend 9 figure sums on players and blow everybody elses spending out of the water for half a decade and get a lenient treatment.

They're spending like an elite club, acting like an elite club, on paper they're up there with at least the best clubs not named Bayern and they *bleep* sucked massively. They were literally record breakingly bad. Disgusting tactics, disgraceful mentality and especially the GK and back line should be depressed after that.

Pathetic display.

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Post by free_cat on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:34 pm

@Doc wrote:PSG beating Barcelona 4-0 would have only looked like a great achievement if they didn't go on to lose 6-1 in the 2nd leg. Free you're being awfully and ridiculously kind to PSG. I know you guys won and I know that euphoric feeling of victory but PSG blew a 4-0 lead. 4 goals to nil. And PSG ain't Leeds United, they (as Rincon put it) have spent absurd amounts of money and have serious ambitions to be on the level of the more established big clubs of Europe.

It's probably the most perplexing result I have ever seen.


You are not supposed to lose 4-0. You are being extremely kind to Barcelona. We are not Leeds United. We have spent absurd amounts of money and are on the level of the more established big clubs of Europe.

It was one of the most perplexive results I've seen and only PSG's great performance coupled with ours awful perfomance can explain it.

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