Re: Massimiliano Allegri appreciation thread

by rincon Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:09 pm

Tomwin Lannister wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:This only exploited his absolutely terrible tactics and lack of courage last week.

Mandazukic should have started last week.

That's pure hindsight
Mandzukic has been looking absolutely shit against Serie A fodder. He's also been fluffing headers left, right and centre.

He was also injured so there's that. He raced to fitness to make the bench.

by urbaNRoots Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:11 pm

Mourinhoesque performance from Allegri tonight. Just when you need the goal to finish off the game you decide to be cowardly.

by rincon Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:25 am

You are acting like Madrid is Benevento. After Matuidi's goal we continued pressing forward for a few minutes and then Madrid woke up and pushed us back.

by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:27 am

Genuinely not sure whether Mourinho ever was up 3:0 in a CL knockout with any team in his career.

by rincon Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:38 am

Mourinho goes away to Sevilla and plays for a 0-0. That's a Mourinho-esque performance right there.

by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:39 am

tbf 0-0 away at Sevilla is a good result

by Vlad the Impaler Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:50 am

Hapless_Hans wrote:tbf 0-0 away at Sevilla is a good result

Yep. The home game was the biggest and the only real problem. Allegri would've killed that Sevilla side on Old Trafford.

by Robespierre Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:56 am

There are 2 Champions League won of difference between those 2 , calma.

by Luca Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:44 am

Best Italian manager

Hope he stays with us as long as possible

by Mr Nick09 Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:58 pm

fantastic video, i love how honest he is with his ideas. this is the same school Zidane subscribe to, organize the defense and let your attackers free to play as they want and score goals

On résume l'opposition Allegri/Sarri à défensif/offensif, mais c'est d'abord le choc de 2 écoles :
- le jeu de position structuré, schématisé, mémorisé de Sarri
- l'idée qu'un coach doit organiser la phase def et laisser libres ses offensifs car ce sont eux qui gagnent les matchs pic.twitter.com/un7kHXDtt4
— Matthieu Martinelli (@matmartinelli) April 29, 2018

For those who dont understand Italian or dont read french, he is essentially saying that the debate about tactics in football is getting too complicated, because tactics alone are not enough to win games. he takes the example of basketball and says at the end, when there are 5 seconds left, you give the ball to the best player. So he argues that tactics dont need to be too complicated, and youth football must focus on developing individual technique because that's why messi, CR, Higuain cost in the hundreds of millions. So his philosophy is to keep things simple, organize the defensive side of the game and to leave freedom to his attackers to go make the difference.

by adun101 Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:14 am

About Ronaldo, Messi and Higuain: he actually said they wpuldn't be worth those hundreds of millions if the scheme is what wins you the match

Anyway, its' a shit philosophy: you're not paid to coach only the defense and if your squad talent is inferior then you're *bleep*. See Juve in Serie A vs UCL

by Art Morte Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:06 am

There's definitely a tendency among football fans and pundits to over-analyze tactics and formations.

by Mr Nick09 Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:34 am

Until Guardiola and the barca doctrine, no one was talking about philosophy. They are the ones who introduced this notion that they have a better style than everyone hence they are the best in the world. Luckily they had Messi in his prime so that helped. And now it's a train of thought that has expanded to the point where even certain teams are convinced that playing better (whatever that is) = they are deserving to win. Case in point, Bayern players (Muller) saying he doesnt understand how they lost because they were better... well no, you lost because you were not better actually, that's why you lost.

Pragmatism vs beauty of the game, it's the heart of Mou vs Pep, Madrid vs Barca debate of late.

by guest7 Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:03 am

Art Morte wrote:There's definitely a tendency among football fans and pundits to over-analyze tactics and formations.

I agree, because most football players didn't even finish school and can barely sit through a lecture

by Mr Nick09 Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:39 am

so you are correlating finishing school with one's ability to sit through a lecture and learn? that's asinine

by Kaladin Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:51 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:Until Guardiola and the barca doctrine, no one was talking about philosophy. They are the ones who introduced this notion that they have a better style than everyone hence they are the best in the world. Luckily they had Messi in his prime so that helped. And now it's a train of thought that has expanded to the point where even certain teams are convinced that playing better (whatever that is) = they are deserving to win. Case in point, Bayern players (Muller) saying he doesnt understand how they lost because they were better... well no, you lost because you were not better actually, that's why you lost.

Pragmatism vs beauty of the game, it's the heart of Mou vs Pep, Madrid vs Barca debate of late.

Beautiful

by S Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:02 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:Until Guardiola and the barca doctrine, no one was talking about philosophy. They are the ones who introduced this notion that they have a better style than everyone hence they are the best in the world. Luckily they had Messi in his prime so that helped. And now it's a train of thought that has expanded to the point where even certain teams are convinced that playing better (whatever that is) = they are deserving to win. Case in point, Bayern players (Muller) saying he doesnt understand how they lost because they were better... well no, you lost because you were not better actually, that's why you lost.

Pragmatism vs beauty of the game, it's the heart of Mou vs Pep, Madrid vs Barca debate of late.

Let's not forget you were subscribing to that thought not so long ago as well until Zippo made you look organized at the back and won you multiple CL's

by Mr Nick09 Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:07 am

You are mistaking I don't subscribe to the Guardiola ideology about football. I like certain aspects of it. I believe in organized attacking football so a coach like Zidane or Allegri i will never like. What I hate is the dictature of thinking.

Zidane is just like Allegri to me, not surprised they share the same Italian heritage. This Madrid team is the most Italian team in Europe right now.

by Kaladin Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:16 am

Massimiliano Allegri is PSG's first pick (@SkySports)

by Robespierre Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:03 am

Kaladin wrote:Massimiliano Allegri is PSG's first pick (@SkySports)

Indeed not, not even contacted for the job

Per la panchina del @PSG_inside, #Pochettino ha ormai battuto la concorrenza di #ThiagoMotta, nessun contatto con #Allegri @SkySport
— Gianluca Di Marzio (@DiMarzio) December 24, 2020

by RealGunner Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:47 am

He is destined for Arsenal

or he is just waiting for Pirlo to get sacked so juve can come begging

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:13 am

Robespierre wrote:
Kaladin wrote:Massimiliano Allegri is PSG's first pick (@SkySports)

Indeed not, not even contacted for the job

Per la panchina del @PSG_inside, #Pochettino ha ormai battuto la concorrenza di #ThiagoMotta, nessun contatto con #Allegri @SkySport
— Gianluca Di Marzio (@DiMarzio) December 24, 2020

What explains Allegri's long absence ? I would figure every top team with an opening would want him, but he keeps getting looked past.

by S Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:02 am

RealGunner wrote:He is destined for Arsenal

or he is just waiting for Pirlo to get sacked so juve can come begging

Doubt he'd want to work with Nedved and Paratici again unless Agnelli fires both of them. I mean they ditched him for Sarri ffs.

by Robespierre Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:11 am

Well it seems that he doesn't have international status and at same time he's in worst situation in Italy .. No Italian teams need of this profile or they can't afford him (except for Inter)
He's not adapted to Arsenal, club so far from his pragmatic philosophy

by Casciavit Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:55 pm

You'd think he'd have more international hype given that he brought Conte's spine to the CL final and then rebuilt Juve and got his own spine to the CL final literally two years later. He also won a bunch of leagues in a row too.

It's not even a Conte thing where you think star players might not like him. Allegri gets along great with star players from what I've read. He's like Ancelotti in that he tries to be friends with them. He's one of those coaches who are great for big clubs.

by rincon Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:04 am

The only player that didn't get along with Allegri was Bonucci at the end. With Dybala there were some issues but it was more about tactical fitting.

He was liked by the whole team, got along great with Pogba, Ronaldo, Mandzukic, Khedira, Chiellini, Cuadrado, and pretty much every other big player we had.

He was great with the media too until the 5th season when he was clearly tired.

Would have been the best coach for PSG, good thing it will be Poch instead.

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