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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:02 pm

Replace with Pastore if you want, but he has everything to play there.

And ffs it's not meant to be a realistic eleven for a game, just pointing out that the next generation is not shit

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Post by RealGunner on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:07 pm

Dybala icardi alone sounds exciting tbh
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Post by danyjr on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:13 pm

As far as midfield goes we have no good CMs. Even the ones who were supposed to be good (like Kranevitter and Lo Celso) have flopped in Europe.

Lanzini and Lamela together in midfield would be kamikaze. Paredes will be our la pared in DM position but we need some players who have good ball retention capabilities in midfield and Lanzini and Lamela aren't that type at all.

I wish Banega was younger, he was one of our best players this world cup, still wondering why he never played for a top club. I will miss you Tanguito Sad

Defence as BC said is shambles. Don't even wanna think about it. Copa next year in Brazil will certainly be a new team with fresh faces and we can get to have a proper look at the future.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:17 pm

Is Messi definitely going to retire, he's young enough to still be at the next WC tbh.

But in any case the best thing for Argentina now is develop younger players, outside the obvious quality issues this team was too old imo.

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Post by CBarca on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:19 pm

Messi will retire but come back for the next World Cup. Book it

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:20 pm

He said he would decide after the WC. He might retire, but the Copa next year is a good chance for him. Maybe the last.

Even if he does retire and comes back later, I think it would be good for us to be forced to learn how to play without him.

Dany Banega might be going to Arsenal. Not sure if it meets your requirements for "top clubs".

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Post by Cruijf on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:24 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Is Messi definitely going to retire, he's young enough to still be at the next WC tbh.

But in any case the best thing for Argentina now is develop younger players, outside the obvious quality issues this team was too old imo.


Messi at 35 will be awful. All the same laziness but none of the dribbling ability or acceleration Laughing

It might work if you have a world class midfield and a CF that he can feed but he'll probably be a hindrance tbh

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:26 pm

Hard to say, 4 years is a long time. We don't really know how he'll age.
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Post by Art Morte on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:27 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:Their Silver Generation is coming to an end and based on this World Cup's showing their future isn't looking exactly golden, either.


Next generation looks worth something everywhere but in defense

Rulli
???? ???? ???? ????
Lamela - Paredes - Lanzini
Dybala - Icardi - Pavon/Lautaro


Lanzini isn't that special.
Lamela is already 26, this World Cup should've been his prime, but he wasn't even in the squad.
Dybala and Icardi might do well, the three other guys I don't know enough of.
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Post by titosantill on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:30 pm

@barrilette when a player retires it's best to have him stay retired. If they grow without him it makes no sense him coming back, the locker room might not welcome that.
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Post by danyjr on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:36 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Dany Banega might be going to Arsenal. Not sure if it meets your requirements for "top clubs".
I meant not a club that is in contention with Burnley for Europa League spot and is 40 points behind the leaders Laughing

As for Messi, he should retire and not come back. As already mentioned, he is already on decline physically and he will be like Maradona in '94 completely unfit and fat. And hey, look at Sweden, they told Zlatan to stuff himself and it worked for them.

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Post by RealGunner on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:39 pm

Messi needs to go for Argentina to move forward. There is no place for him unless impact sub
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Post by CBarca on Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:57 pm

Argentina isn't going anywhere but backwards until they develop a midfield tbh

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Post by messixaviesta on Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:30 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:He said he would decide after the WC. He might retire, but the Copa next year is a good chance for him. Maybe the last.

Even if he does retire and comes back later, I think it would be good for us to be forced to learn how to play without him.

Dany Banega might be going to Arsenal. Not sure if it meets your requirements for "top clubs".

I had the same thought. Messi could give the Copa next year one last shot but after that he really should retire and be free of what has been too much of a burden for him. Even if he plays for the Copa for once a coach should attempt to build an Argentina in which Messi is just one of eleven players rather than the centerpiece of the team. Messi should also pass on the arm band to someone else. This is by no means an attack on Messi. I just think its a needless burden for him to bear all this.

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Post by iftikhar on Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:13 am

@Art Morte wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:Their Silver Generation is coming to an end and based on this World Cup's showing their future isn't looking exactly golden, either.


Next generation looks worth something everywhere but in defense

Rulli
???? ???? ???? ????
Lamela - Paredes - Lanzini
Dybala - Icardi - Pavon/Lautaro


Lanzini isn't that special.
Lamela is already 26, this World Cup should've been his prime, but he wasn't even in the squad.
Dybala and Icardi might do well, the three other guys I don't know enough of.
Rulli (26)
???? ???? ???? ????
Lamela (26) - Paredes (24) - Lanzini (25)
Dybala (24) - Icardi (25) - Pavon (22)/Lautaro (20)
By the time of next world cup, this squad (even if they are considered that talented) would pretty aged.
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Post by FennecFox7 on Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:27 am

@Cruijf wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Is Messi definitely going to retire, he's young enough to still be at the next WC tbh.

But in any case the best thing for Argentina now is develop younger players, outside the obvious quality issues this team was too old imo.


Messi at 35 will be awful. All the same laziness but none of the dribbling ability or acceleration Laughing

It might work if you have a world class midfield and a CF that he can feed but he'll probably be a hindrance tbh


his fitness is surprisingly awful. literally zero stamina which hurts his already poor off the ball movement. @alexjanosik had it right tbh, messi plays as an old school 10 and doesn't do any type of running
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Post by Winter is Coming on Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:46 am

Samp either getting sacked or is about to quit (obviously forced) is making the rounds.

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Post by breva on Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:03 am

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Is Messi definitely going to retire, he's young enough to still be at the next WC tbh.

But in any case the best thing for Argentina now is develop younger players, outside the obvious quality issues this team was too old imo.



I have a friend who has a grandchild that needs human growth hormone therapy to achieve a normal height. The parents were advised that one of the effects of human growth hormone therapy is that the patient becomes an adult physically in the teens and will age faster than a normal person that hasn't received the therapy. Messi is probably a 40 year old physically.
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Post by Winter is Coming on Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:19 pm

http://ecuagol.com/ecuagol/?n=125810

https://www.mcfcwatch.com/2018/07/04/the-afa-to-offer-pep-guardiola-bumper-12m-year-deal-to-leave-man-city-and-take-job-report/

The AFA to offer Pep Guardiola bumper $12M to take job.

@BC

Is it possible to do both?

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Post by elitedam on Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:24 pm

I thought they were broke?
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:13 pm

lol pure smoke, we are broke

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Post by Harmonica on Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:35 pm

Any word on Messi future with Argentina? Now that the old guard has finally retired, hopefully he will spearhead the new crop. If Messi retires I don't see Argentina recovering in time to WC22. Messi at 35 is probably still going to be the best player in the World.

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Post by S on Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:54 am

Clarin: Messi has an unprecedented amount of sway on the national team. He told Sampaoli to drop Federico Fazio and Giovani Lo Celso during the 2018 World Cup because he believed they were under-performing & didn't impress him.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:39 pm

So I tracked down the source:

https://www.clarin.com/deportes/mundial-2018/historia-secreta-ruptura-jorge-sampaoli-sebastian-beccacece-jugadores-seleccion-pleno-mundial_0_SJkxX4H7X.html

No quotes, no anything, just hearsay. Meh.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:06 pm

Lo Celso benched by Messi because he easily beat him at football-tenis and nutmegged him in training Laughing

who hired Beccacece?

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Post by futbol_bill on Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:44 pm

Clarin has always been a reliable source!
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