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Post by Freeza on Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:27 am

@rincon wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:I want to add this : Francesco Totti > Roberto Baggio

A related, extremely, unpopular opinion among Juventus fans.

Totti > Del Piero


Hardly an unpopular opinion anywhere else. I'd call it a fact.

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Post by Robespierre on Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:34 am

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@Robespierre wrote:Walter Samuel was the best defender of last 20 years, second only to Nesta
What about Roberto Ayala???

Ayala was the better defender than Samuel imho.

Ayala was average in Serie A but great in Liga (do I suppose? because no one rates him in Italy) while Samuel  was GOAT in Serie A.
So yes it sounds as a very unpopular opinion for me

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Post by Robespierre on Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:49 am

@Freeza wrote:
@rincon wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:I want to add this : Francesco Totti > Roberto Baggio

A related, extremely, unpopular opinion among Juventus fans.

Totti > Del Piero


Hardly an unpopular opinion anywhere else. I'd call it a fact.

Yes , not by chance Totti and Del Piero are of same generation and Totti was the starter N.10 of Italy even in WC when he was half-injured and Lippi (former Juve) as coach. But Lippi preferred Totti over Del Piero
Totti> Baggio is unpopolar instead, at least in Italy it was considered a blasphemy until recently, now Totti also got retired and it guaranteed a "revaulatation'.. from blasphemy to opinion. Still an unpopolar opinion though.
But for me Totti was a more complete player, more versatile (he's been for different periods the best SS, the best CAM and also the best CF of the Serie A), I'd say more modern while Baggio was an arist of the football built for 80s but  transplanted into Sacchi era (that's the reason why he was hostile to some great managers as Sacchi, Capello, Lippi, Ancelotti.. Ancelotti didn't want to sign him because not adapted to his 4-4-2. of course he repented for it then).
Baggio was more genius than Totti, that's sure.
but on the whole I take Totti

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Post by Warrior on Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:06 am

@Art Morte wrote:2020's is going to be a relatively boring decade for football due to a lack of new great and exciting players.


AGREED 1000%
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Post by rincon on Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:59 am

@Robespierre wrote:
@Freeza wrote:
@rincon wrote:

A related, extremely, unpopular opinion among Juventus fans.

Totti > Del Piero


Hardly an unpopular opinion anywhere else. I'd call it a fact.

Yes , not by chance Totti and Del Piero are of same generation and Totti was the starter N.10 of Italy even in WC when he was half-injured and Lippi (former Juve) as coach. But Lippi preferred Totti over Del Piero

Yes you would think so, but I'm blasphemous among Juve fans for this.
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Post by M99 on Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:07 pm

@rincon wrote:
@M99 wrote:Shevchenko was better than Thierry Henry.

Is this unpopular? Shevchenko brings me ptsd like few other players.


Among EPL fans, very.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:17 pm

Or anyone with sense.
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Post by Robespierre on Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:26 pm

@rincon wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:
@Freeza wrote:


Hardly an unpopular opinion anywhere else. I'd call it a fact.

Yes , not by chance Totti and Del Piero are of same generation and Totti was the starter N.10 of Italy even in WC when he was half-injured and Lippi (former Juve) as coach. But Lippi preferred Totti over Del Piero

Yes you would think so, but I'm blasphemous among Juve fans for this.

Among Juve fans yes it's true

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Post by Art Morte on Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:09 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:2020's is going to be a relatively boring decade for football due to a lack of new great and exciting players.


bullshit why would you say so?

I think there's some good talent out there, there always is... some make it by being coached very well and staying disciplined to the sport, and some don't. Always has been the case, always will be.

Where are they? We should be seeing some already, exciting players between the ages 18 and 25, but what have we got? Speed merchant Mbappe leading the pack and even he won't be relevant unless he absolutely lights it on fire in the CL or leaves Ligue 1.
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:44 pm

@M99 wrote:Shevchenko was better than Thierry Henry.

@Kaladin wrote:Milito was better than Eto


banter lads
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Post by rincon on Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:06 pm

Didn't realize M99 saying Shevchenko was better than Henry could be seen as banter or senseless.

We are talking about the BdO winner Shevchenko, the guy who topped CL scoring often, fought it out with monster strikers and won capo, NT records, CL titles, league titles, etc.

Similar level of players regardless of preference.
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Post by Myesyats on Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:12 pm

@Warrior wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:2020's is going to be a relatively boring decade for football due to a lack of new great and exciting players.


AGREED 1000%

I would think this is quite a popular opinion. The quality of fotball in general has gone to the shitter I feel like.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:34 pm

Yes, it's definitely not an unpopular opinion. Football has been going downhill quality-wise for quite a while now, and the next decade is going to suck more than anyone or anything that has ever sucked in the history of sucking.

Looking forward to Rashford winning the BdO.




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Post by Robespierre on Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:42 pm

@rincon wrote:Didn't realize M99 saying Shevchenko was better than Henry could be seen as banter or senseless.

We are talking about the BdO winner Shevchenko, the guy who topped CL scoring often, fought it out with monster strikers and won capo, NT records, CL titles, league titles, etc.

Similar level of players regardless of preference.

Serie A legend/PL flop vs Serie A flop/ PL flop Very Happy

Anyway I agree 100% with your post
Sheva has scored 14 goals in derby, (record all time) I can' t even disown my nightmares

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Post by El Gunner on Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:24 pm

@rincon wrote:Didn't realize M99 saying Shevchenko was better than Henry could be seen as banter or senseless.

We are talking about the BdO winner Shevchenko, the guy who topped CL scoring often, fought it out with monster strikers and won capo, NT records, CL titles, league titles, etc.

Similar level of players regardless of preference.


maybe not as much banter as Kaladin's statement.

But still no imo. And also can't really use his Balon d'Or win over Henry as we all know Henry should rightfully have won one himself the year before him.

Was too young for Shevy's earlier Milan days, but I did watch him play 2003 to 2004, and i used to watch highlights of players as well during that time when i first started watching football. I may not have seen as much as some others of him, but from what I remember he was kind of like a peak Michael Owen in terms of running with the ball, he had better technique though.

But compared to Henry? Henry had too much guile and skill and finesse which Shevy could never catch up with. Plus Henry actually went to Barcelona and contributed, even though the environment obviously was much easier for him in that team, but Shevy was terrible at Chelsea.
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Post by iftikhar on Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:57 pm

The unpopular thread has become pretty popular, eh Razz
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Post by rincon on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:30 pm

@El Gunner wrote:And also can't really use his Balon d'Or win over Henry as we all know Henry should rightfully have won one himself the year before him.

We do? An unpopular opinion to post. That wasnt even a close vote, Nedved was a clear winner after such a dominant season.
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:36 pm

@rincon wrote:
@El Gunner wrote:And also can't really use his Balon d'Or win over Henry as we all know Henry should rightfully have won one himself the year before him.

We do? An unpopular opinion to post. That wasnt even a close vote, Nedved was a clear winner after such a dominant season.


has been argued and brought up many a time, not only on here, but in most footballing circles.

also this: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/nedved-henry-deserved-to-win-6971310.html
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Post by sportsczy on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:37 pm

Shevchenko was not better than Henry... and I'm a Henry critic.  Henry was one of the few players that could carry his team
@Freeza wrote:
@rincon wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:I want to add this : Francesco Totti > Roberto Baggio

A related, extremely, unpopular opinion among Juventus fans.

Totti > Del Piero

Hardly an unpopular opinion anywhere else. I'd call it a fact.
Roberto Baggio shits all over both Totti and Del Piero. He was a magnificent player.

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Post by McLewis on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:42 pm

Ehh I've always thought Henry had a better overall, individual season than Nedved. Stats-wise, that's very clear.

I largely think Nedved won it because Juve made it to the CL final that year, whereas Henry's Arsenal didn't make it out of the group stage (Roma were bottom of that same group btw Laughing)


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Post by El Gunner on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:45 pm

@McLewis wrote:Ehh I've always thought Henry had a better overall, individual season than Nedved. Stats-wise, that's very clear.

I largely think Nedved won it because Juve made it to the CL final that year, whereas Henry's Arsenal didn't make it out  of that group (Roma were bottom of that one btw Laughing)


blame Wenger, he never really figured out a formula to compete in European football :facepalm:
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Post by rincon on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:53 pm

@McLewis wrote:Ehh I've always thought Henry had a better overall, individual season than Nedved. Stats-wise, that's very clear.

I largely think Nedved won it because Juve made it to the CL final that year, whereas Henry's Arsenal didn't make it out of the group stage (Roma were bottom of that same group btw Laughing)

Eh, using stats to compare a midfielder and a striker is tricky. Can't dismiss such a difference as going out in the second group and reaching the CL final, as winning the toughest league and losing a weaker one. Nedved was the best player in the best team, playing an incredible season. There was not much doubt back then, he absolutely won rightfully.

This is another one were personal preferences can sway either way as levels are similar, but to say he surely didn't deserve it? come on.


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Post by McLewis on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:58 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@McLewis wrote:Ehh I've always thought Henry had a better overall, individual season than Nedved. Stats-wise, that's very clear.

I largely think Nedved won it because Juve made it to the CL final that year, whereas Henry's Arsenal didn't make it out  of that group (Roma were bottom of that one btw Laughing)


blame Wenger, he never really figured out a formula to compete in European football :facepalm:


Hey he did get you guys to a final in 06 at least. EDF almost got us to one as well.

Not sure Emery or Fonseca can do one better than those achievements though.
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Post by McLewis on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:19 pm

@rincon wrote:
@McLewis wrote:Ehh I've always thought Henry had a better overall, individual season than Nedved. Stats-wise, that's very clear.

I largely think Nedved won it because Juve made it to the CL final that year, whereas Henry's Arsenal didn't make it out of the group stage (Roma were bottom of that same group btw Laughing)

Eh, using stats to compare a midfielder and a striker is tricky. Can't dismiss such a difference as going out in the second group and reaching the CL final, as winning the toughest league and losing a weaker one. Nedved was the best player in the best team, playing an incredible season. There was not much doubt back then, he absolutely won rightfully.

This is another one were personal preferences can sway either way as levels are similar, but to say he surely didn't deserve it? come on.


Well I didn't say he didn't deserve it. I mean the Balon D'or is rewarded to the most valuable player on the team, who has the most influence on their team's success. Juve were more successful than Arsenal that year so naturally Nedved was the rightful winner as its MVP.

On an individual game-by-game, goal-by-goal basis though? I can't help , but consider Henry the better attacker. He even managed to rack up more assists (as well as goals, but as a striker that's expected) than Nedved during that CL campaign as well. I can't overlook that.
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Post by Robespierre on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:24 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Shevchenko was not better than Henry... and I'm a Henry critic.  Henry was one of the few players that could carry his team
@Freeza wrote:
@rincon wrote:

A related, extremely, unpopular opinion among Juventus fans.

Totti > Del Piero

Hardly an unpopular opinion anywhere else. I'd call it a fact.
Roberto Baggio shits all over both Totti and Del Piero. He was a magnificent player.


Yes, but Totti too

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Post by 80s_Stallone on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:38 pm

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