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Post by Myesyats on Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:46 pm

Nah Messis first son was born in June 2012 and in 2012/2013 he had lots of problems with injuries yet still singe handedly won Barca the leauge. Had to play with Pedro and Alexis on the wings (+with suffering Tito as coach) and still had an insane season.

Thus, I dunno how becoming a father makes Busquets play like absolute crap. I don't see any connection. I think the issue lies elsewhere.


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Post by titosantill on Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:05 pm

@Curtinho wrote:Or it could just be that teams have keyed in on the fact that despite not being the best player on the team that if you disrupt Busquets and his role in the team it unsettles Barcelona in general. He plays a very important role and if he's getting more attention and focus the team becomes quickly disjointed.

If I were a team gameplanning for Barcelona my plan wouldn't start with Messi, it would start with Busquets.


this is outlandish. i remember ferguson saying something to that effect about xabi alonso when we met utd...but busquets doesn't do what xabi did at madrid. that's not to say he isn't an important cog on his team. but only a manager who has been snorting cocaine and doing an assorted array of recreational drugs combined with alcohol at the same time, will have busquets as the first, second, third or even fourth name on his chalk board regarding who to mark or stifle. as arte pointed out, another cm or wing back will give the ball to the same players he passes to
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Post by Kaladin on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:40 pm

That commentary gave me cancer

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Post by RealGunner on Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:38 pm

I didn't listen but I am assuming it's Ray Hudson?
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Post by Kaladin on Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:50 pm

Yep

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Post by RealGunner on Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:08 pm

Seen a lot of barca fans turning on him.


What do GL experts say on this?
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Post by Casciavit on Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:18 pm

Any DM is going to look like crap when the CM's beside him are playing as false wingers. Laughing

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Post by Harmonica on Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:23 pm

He's slow on and off the ball, of course he's going to suffer without tactical edge in modern football.

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Post by Donuts on Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:27 pm

we always knew buscuit is a system player but if you see our average position in attack
our centermids are litterally far away from the middle as possible overlappying with the wingers and fullbacks

sergio's best quality is short distributing, most of his passes with lucho's weird tactic are long ball passes.

he's just being used wrong..

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Post by jibers on Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:35 pm

@jibers wrote:Iniesta misplaces a lot of passes lately, Busquets has been in "poor form" for a while and you are still not looking at the bigger picture. The fact that the game has been given to the forwards is the problem. When Busquets is marked the team don't know how to position themselves to make themselves available and even the most basic pressing is causing the team problems. Gomes isn't a bad player at all.

A clean build up makes everything easier. Now add to the fact that the forward don't even run to create space added everyone comes to the ball it's easy to see why there are saying aid aid many issues. Picking on Gomes makes no sense. Rakitic wouldn't have made a difference in thay psg game becaus he can't be in 2 places at once. If a mf of Jorghinho Hamsik and Zielinski can cleanly circulate the ball the the he forwards then there is no reason anyone in Barcelonas mf can't.

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So Busquets, Iniesta, Alba, Pique and Mascherano are all suddenly bad? Not buying it one bit. The job of the coach is to minimise his players weaknesses and amplify their strengths. The board is at fault as well. Barto and Rosell wanted to distance themselves from Cruyff's methodology. Pique and Mascherano played in 2 finals as a pairing. Ask yourself, what was the team doing when they did well?

Busquets is still the best #6 in Europe at what he does. Barcelona have never been able to defend the conventional way hence why pressure is applied. The players aren't athletic enough to cover large distances so you have to minimise the areas you have to defend. They have lost all their essence. As I said, Rafinha, Gomes and Suarez are not bad players, in fact I would say they are good players, they just need direction. People kept bringing up Busquets "poor" form without understanding the issue. It's as if some people don't understand football. If you have a big space to defend, you will look like a worse player, even Maldini would look bad in Barcelonas defence.

Iniesta's skill set hasn't changes. Barcelona can't even bring out the ball cleanly and Like I said before they use side backs to build up which is a no no. Using side backs means you cut off half the pitch because you only have half the passing options, whereas if you go through the centre, you have more of the pitch and it's easier to access the third man, which is the most important concept, Barcelona don't even use that. The CMs are so far apart, during the build up Busquets is pressed and has no passing options so the side backs drop deep to help out meaning that the wide players have to drop deeper, which means they have further to run when they get the ball and they rarely receive it cleanly and have too much ground to cover. 90% of the onfield problems are from Enrique.


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Gomes is not a bad player. You are looking are it the wrong way. I mean people kept banging on are bout busquets poor form. Look st the reasons behind the performance. Why was he poor? Did his abilities degrade? Nope. The midfield is just not coached properly and they don't position themselves optimally when building from the back  a lot of the times they use the side backs. Rakitic is undoubtedly a better starter because he has been doing that specific role for over 2 years. There has to be some automatisms. Gomes has a good 1st touch is a decent passer so why does he misplace so many passes?

Since Xavi left they have no guidance to contol games. Look how spread out the midfield was when PSG attacked. As a Barcelona fan surely you must have noticed PSG numerically outnumbered Barcelonas midfield in almost all their transitions. That's Is literally the antithesis of Cruijffs ideology. Munier was even saying he couldn't believe how much space he had.

How is Neymar receiving the ball with back to goal in his own half during the build up phase? All these things have knock on effects. No extra man/free man and the team has to result in one vs one duels in almost all areas of the pitch.


Barcelona don't need any new players. Rafinha is a good player. Gomes is a good player, Rakitic is a good player. The team has no compactness and are so easy to counter attack. That is a failure of the coach for me. Vidal was a decent signing and maybe a rb is an area that can be strengthened because that is not Robertos quality.



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Post by futbol on Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:36 am

He has played extremely well under the same tactics and he has played extremely crap under the old fashioned "1000 midfielders close to each other" tactics under del Bosque for Spain. Tactics are overrated.

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Post by farfan on Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:22 am

This scrawny unathletic fairy will get exposed the moment he leaves Barça imo. hmm
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Post by Lucifer on Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:02 pm

He is getting pretty exposed with Barca tbh.
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Post by rincon on Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:26 pm

System player if there was ever one. Great in his environment, poor outside of it.
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Post by CBarca on Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:58 pm

He's a player with limitations, like any other player.

Even when he was one of the best midfielders in the world we can remember Pato blowing by him like it was nothing to score a goal for Milan. Now imagine the scenario that created that goal but on a regular basis. There you have Busquets weakness. It's exactly as jibers said, the amount of space he has to defend has increased and Busquets is a highly unathletic player for a professional athlete.

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Post by Winter is Coming on Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:27 pm

Are last few games.

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Post by Jack Daniels on Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:22 pm

Poor Gomes, it's like a game of keep away lol.
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Post by BarcaLearning on Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:54 pm

Shocked by what many ppl are saying here, his form has dropped due to factors and probably also down to himself, along with iniesta lately, doesnt help it when Enrique keeps trying fit Gomes in there. He looked much better already today.

Hes still a top player and would walk into most teams in the world.
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Post by S on Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:01 pm

Appropriate title of this thread should be ' Busquets the brilliant myth '

Because ive never seen a more overrated overhyped footballer in my lifetime. A footballing fraud who was riding the coat tails of two midfield legends for nearly a decade.
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Post by Kaladin on Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:17 pm

Another cule rat feeding off the delights of greats

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Post by Kaladin on Tue May 07, 2019 10:02 pm

@Kaladin wrote:Another cule rat feeding off the delights of greats

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Post by Myesyats on Tue May 07, 2019 11:42 pm

Man has been done for 3 years. Peaked at 23. Doesn't find himself comfortable in a physical, shit passing game.

Nothing to see here.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Tue May 07, 2019 11:47 pm

He's been done ever since Barca switched to counter football. Good news is the club recognizes this and already bought an able replacement. Honestly this is nothing new...

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Post by titosantill on Tue May 07, 2019 11:49 pm

system player , nothing criminally wrong with that. it just is what it is. and its something i've said about him and a lot of players in that system from the beginning. he stayed long enough to get exposed
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Post by S on Wed May 08, 2019 12:02 am

@S wrote:Appropriate title of this thread should be ' Busquets the brilliant myth '

Because ive never seen a more overrated overhyped footballer in my lifetime. A footballing fraud who was riding the coat tails of two midfield legends for nearly a decade.
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