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Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Khaled on Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:36 am

Grondona (president ARG federation): "If we had the financial means, Guardiola would be our national team coach. It would be a dream." [ona via barcastuff]

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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by El Chelsea Fuerte on Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:39 am

Coaching a NT at such a young age would be a waste for him IMO.

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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Khaled on Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:01 am

Guardiola was just a B-Team coach with no experience & yet he did all this at Barca, in 2007/2008 Barca had one if the worst seasons [results were bad, but i'm talking about the problems that were in the dressing room etc..]

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@Argentina, agree it won't be easy, but what i'm sure about, that Guardiola is the one who can bring up the best from Messi.


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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Khaled on Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:02 am

btw do u think a midfield of 3: Banega, Gago & Pastore could work?

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Post by Omniscient on Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:56 am

Not sure if Pastore is really good enough to play a crucial role for Argentina. I want to see Di Maria play the midfield shuttler role.

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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Khaled on Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:40 am

Let's say Guardiola is now Argentina's coach..

which players squad could he choose? Lineup, Formation etc.. ?

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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by The Franchise on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:35 pm

He is a masterful coach, but he isnt a miracle worker or a genie.

I have no doubts he would get Argentina going in a straight line, but win....I seriously doubt it.




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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:01 pm

Interesting Dani, not to turn this into a Guardiola vs Mourinho debate, but do you think Mourinho could do it or do you just think Argentina is helpless?

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Post by Nirgall on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:11 pm

Both of them could make us champions. Mourinho more than guardiola since he doesn't depend on having world class midfielders.

We are a very average side if you don't count our forward line, but even so with a world class coach and some luck we could make it.

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Post by The Franchise on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:12 pm

Mou, like Pep, would get them going in a straight line but winning, again really I think not.

Argentina arent helpless, but certain things need to happen and some new talent in certain areas needs to come basically out of nowhere.

Mou might be a more of a expensive quick fix though, wont put in a style of play you can repeat for years, but surely would get the spine of a team in have them functioning consistently.


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Post by Nirgall on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:16 pm

The Franchise wrote:Mou, like Pep, would get them going in a straight line but winning, again really I think not.

Argentina arent helpless, but certain things need to happen and some new talent in certain areas needs to come basically out of nowhere.

Mou might be a more of a expensive quick fix though, wont put in a style of play you can repeat for years, but surely would get the spine of a team in have them functioning consistently.



The thing is that to win a world cup you don't need to be the best side. You need to have a respectable team and luck on you side. It's a short tournament after all.

Mou could give us a good defense, the forwards and messi could give us some goals and the rest would be to be lucky.

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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Sushi Master on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:18 pm

I would have thought the Argentines too proud to offer a Spanish coach the job, with so much home talent available.

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Post by Nirgall on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:24 pm

Sushi Master wrote:I would have thought the Argentines too proud to offer a Spanish coach the job, with so much home talent available.


I would be if our FA made use of our talent instead of being the corrupt *bleep* they are. but let's be honest, out best choice (Carlos Bianchi) is ignored due to pesonal issues with Grondona. And that *bleep* cares so little about our performances that he is capable of putting Maradona as our Manager as long as it guarantees him enough money.

From that point of view a world class coach (foreign or not) would be a blessing.

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Post by Sushi Master on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:28 pm

Well, Guardiola as manager should guarantee him money, too Very Happy

But I guess it'll be a win-win situation in that case.


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Post by The Franchise on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:31 pm

Nirgall wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Mou, like Pep, would get them going in a straight line but winning, again really I think not.

Argentina arent helpless, but certain things need to happen and some new talent in certain areas needs to come basically out of nowhere.

Mou might be a more of a expensive quick fix though, wont put in a style of play you can repeat for years, but surely would get the spine of a team in have them functioning consistently.



The thing is that to win a world cup you don't need to be the best side. You need to have a respectable team and luck on you side. It's a short tournament after all.

Mou could give us a good defense, the forwards and messi could give us some goals and the rest would be to be lucky.


Mou cant give you defence, he isnt magical, you need talent to be good defensively. I believe he could make you organised and improve you defensively, but again, he isnt magical.

Forwards and Messi? Without a midfield how does the ball get from the back to front?


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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Nirgall on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:33 pm

Sushi Master wrote:Well, Guardiola as manager should guarantee him money, too Very Happy

But I guess it'll be a win-win situation in that case.



It would cost him more than what he earns. Actually I'm wrong it would cost AFA more than what AFA could earn economically, but it may be profitable for him personally if he managers to convince Guardiola to call undeserved players to make deals with their agents. Though Mourinho would probably be better for that.

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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Nirgall on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:41 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Nirgall wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Mou, like Pep, would get them going in a straight line but winning, again really I think not.

Argentina arent helpless, but certain things need to happen and some new talent in certain areas needs to come basically out of nowhere.

Mou might be a more of a expensive quick fix though, wont put in a style of play you can repeat for years, but surely would get the spine of a team in have them functioning consistently.



The thing is that to win a world cup you don't need to be the best side. You need to have a respectable team and luck on you side. It's a short tournament after all.

Mou could give us a good defense, the forwards and messi could give us some goals and the rest would be to be lucky.


Mou cant give you defence, he isnt magical, you need talent to be good defensively. I believe he could make you organised and improve you defensively, but again, he isnt magical.

Forwards and Messi? Without a midfield how does the ball get from the back to front?



Let's be honest Argentine players aren't that terrible. With enough organization they could certainly defend and create at the level of a good team, We would depend a lot in our finishing, though

Defense particularly is very reliant on team effort and organization. Individual talent isnt' that relevant.

Using players like Zabaleta, mascherano, coloccini, Romero, otamendi, we could have a decent defence. And with Messi, Banega, Pastore,Di maria we could have a decent midfield. the we would have Aguero, Tevez and Higuain at attack.

It's not a terrible team. If properly organized and with luck at our side we could have a chance.

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Re: Can Guardiola win [WorldCup 2014] with Argentina?

Post by Sushi Master on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:50 pm

The defense is half fixed by calling up Coloccini and maybe placing Mascherano at CB since you don't desperately need him in midfield.

Argentina has gotten some dominant midfield displays only let down by shitty defending or bad finishing. I don't think the problem is in midfield, as long as you don't play 3-5-2 and place Di Maria at CM or something.

Zabaleta is good enough, although at LB I haven't seen anyone decent apart from Clemente. Jonas could also be used as an emergency option.

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