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Post by Doc on Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:35 pm

What life teaches us these days is that Real Madrid would be fine regardless and Benzema would be fine wherever he ends up. Before anyone gets an brain tumor from this topic, I really would like us to just drop this issue for the time being.

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Post by Pedram on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:08 pm

@Mamad wrote:IMO it's not hard to see Benzema's potential. don't know why some people just don't want to accept it.

Having potential is not everything FFS, you have to prove it by fighting, sweating, tearing. without proving it you'll be another Quaresma. just like that :coffee:
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:13 pm

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@Mamad wrote:IMO it's not hard to see Benzema's potential. don't know why some people just don't want to accept it.

Having potential is not everything FFS, you have to prove it by fighting, sweating, tearing. without proving it you'll be another Quaresma. just like that :coffee:

isnt that what benzema did all season long?

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Post by Pedram on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:43 pm

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@Mamad wrote:IMO it's not hard to see Benzema's potential. don't know why some people just don't want to accept it.

Having potential is not everything FFS, you have to prove it by fighting, sweating, tearing. without proving it you'll be another Quaresma. just like that :coffee:

isnt that what benzema did all season long?

i'm not satisfied yet. if this is all potential he has then he's not the best forward we have.
you guys forgot that we lost many points because of Benzema's mistakes.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:47 pm

El Pipita wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
El Pipita wrote:
@Mamad wrote:IMO it's not hard to see Benzema's potential. don't know why some people just don't want to accept it.

Having potential is not everything FFS, you have to prove it by fighting, sweating, tearing. without proving it you'll be another Quaresma. just like that :coffee:

isnt that what benzema did all season long?

i'm not satisfied yet. if this is all potential he has then he's not the best forward we have.
you guys forgot that we lost many points because of Benzema's mistakes.

So Benzema helping us get through the CL after 6 years and helping us go through the copa final isnt enough?

the guy took an incredible amount of criticism and pressure even from the inside by mourinho. What else does he need to do?

he is better than higuain already, and more decisive on top of it.

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Post by Pedram on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:04 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
El Pipita wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
El Pipita wrote:
@Mamad wrote:IMO it's not hard to see Benzema's potential. don't know why some people just don't want to accept it.

Having potential is not everything FFS, you have to prove it by fighting, sweating, tearing. without proving it you'll be another Quaresma. just like that :coffee:

isnt that what benzema did all season long?

i'm not satisfied yet. if this is all potential he has then he's not the best forward we have.
you guys forgot that we lost many points because of Benzema's mistakes.

So Benzema helping us get through the CL after 6 years and helping us go through the copa final isnt enough?

the guy took an incredible amount of criticism and pressure even from the inside by mourinho. What else does he need to do?

he is better than higuain already, and more decisive on top of it.

I love it when you forget all efforts from other players just because he has scored 2 times against Lyon. where's Ronaldo, Marcelo, Di Maria, Ozil and others ? all these players helped us to reach that stages not just Benzema. if you are talking about helping then you need to remember those videos:





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Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:04 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Why is it that as soon as someone brings statistics to back up their claim, they're a "radical fanzema"? Wouldn't being a blind fan involve ignoring the figures and just stating things without facts?

I have yet to see someone who is a pipita fan prove to me statistically how Higuain is better. We've been talking about this for over a year now and it hasn't happened. In my book, you guys are the most radical.

Alright, let's compare the past two years shall we? Because I'm sick and tired of this issue coming up, being resolved, and then brought up again when someone feels like it is a valid argument when it clearly is not. Just like the Kaka financial issue (one that does not exist).

Gonzalo Higuain

2009-2010
Appearances: 40
Goals:29
Assists: 6

2010-2011
Appearances: 25
Goals: 13
Assists: 6

Two year total
Appearances: 65
Goals: 42 (0.65 goals per a game)
Assists: 12


Karim Benzema


2009-2010
Appearances: 33
Goals: 9
Assists: 4

2010-2011
Appearances: 48
Goals: 26
Assists: 9

Two year total
Appearances: 81
Goals: 35 (0.43 goals per a game)
Assists: 13


Now I am not a mathematician, but my two year old niece can clearly point out that Gonzalo Higuain has more goals and one less assist than Karim Benzema in less games. FFS.

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Post by Doc on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:06 pm

Higuain has 42 in 65?! That's actually really good, he needs to score more in the UCL damn it.

Of course, one could easily point who he scored those goals against but that's nit picking honestly. Higuain has been great for us.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:12 pm

Maybe so, but higuain was in the same situation of qualifying us last season and he bottled it, yet he doesnt get any criticisms for it. Higuain has done some great stuff for us in la liga but quite frankly wnning la liga isnt a problem for us atm. Has he been able to do it in CL? no.

Other players did great, but you have to be able to finish and make the difference. why are we underrating that when it comes to Benzema? When it's Higuain he gets a pass for having crap games and scoring, same with Ronaldo.

im not putting down higuain, i just think Benzema has done wonderful as well for us, in a different way. To me, he is the better player, no doubt.

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Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:14 pm

He hit the post. That comes down to chance. It was unlucky.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:15 pm

he hit the post, and that was our 5th season in a row not getting through in CL.

seriously, ha benzema done that, people would be asking for higuain to come back asap

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Post by guest7 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:17 pm

Benzema is a better player, he just had a slow start but getting back into form.

EDIT: Remember higgy hit the post against barca too (if i remember right?)


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Post by Doc on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:18 pm

Benzema maybe the better player but Higuain has done statistically more towards the club betterment. Although missing an open goal from a good angle has to do with nerves than unlucky but that's just my perception.

Anyway, Sports asked for a Higgy "fan" to back up his argument with evidence to prove Higuain has done more and H.Real has shown up for the challenge. I do believe that if it weren't for the Aguero rumour, all of this wouldn't have been so tediously long discussed.

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Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:18 pm

It could and probably would have happened to anyone.
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Post by EarlyPrototype on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:19 pm

The thing that pissed me off was after he hit the post straight after he decided to go for goal when Ronaldo was open.
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Post by Doc on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:20 pm

Ronaldo would have done the same.

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Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:21 pm

Thank goodness we've broken that curse. One thing we can all agree on.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:25 pm

@Doc wrote:Benzema maybe the better player but Higuain has done statistically more towards the club betterment. Although missing an open goal from a good angle has to do with nerves than unlucky but that's just my perception.

Anyway, Sports asked for a Higgy "fan" to back up his argument with evidence to prove Higuain has done more and H.Real has shown up for the challenge. I do believe that if it weren't for the Aguero rumour, all of this wouldn't have been so tediously long discussed.

I think so aswell, because now everyone is seeing aguero coming as a given and you have two sides fighting about who they think is better between the two we have, and who deserves to stay. This isnt good, it brings out the nasty and ungrateful side of us.

I reckon Higuain has done great for us in the past couple of season being such a grinder, but i dont think he is the kind of forward that can take us over the hump and be decisive down the stretch in CL and win that kind of competition.

I'm not the biggest higuain fan around, im not trying to be politically correct either, i just think we wont get away in CL with higgy in a general sense. We can get away in la Liga but i think it will come short in CL.

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Post by Doc on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:33 pm

It does bring out the ungrateful side as I've been quite guilty of under appreciating Benzema's contribution towards Real Madrid. Yes, it has been somewhat underwhelming in the grand scheme of things but his goals came at vital points in the season and thus shouldn't be ignored.

What makes me feel Benzema would get the axe if Aguero does wear the white of Real Madrid is that Mourinho, for all his managerial greatness, seems to have little love for the Frenchman (note, I'm assuming here. To all I know he could be the future Godfather to Benzema's first born). Who knows really. I personally don't like the discredit that Aguero is receiving though. That part usually turns me off a bit...

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:38 pm

It's more of a defensive mechanism to me. You have got to be outta your mind not to see the talent Aguero as. Sure, he will have to adapt to a top team like any player moving to a new club, specially when he isnt the top dog anymore, but the kid brings an array of talent we crave for.

Exactly the kind of player that defenders hate to mark, kind of forwards that keep you on the edge all game, and he has ronaldo and ozil nxt to him? sick.

It's like Cazorla, gosh i wish we had signed him a few years back, even now. that dude is fantastic. Typical spanish players we lack, short fast and technical, those guys are the reason barcelona doesnt get to enjoy a free ride against some teams in la liga. And the objective today is to beat barca.

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Post by Doc on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:43 pm

We could have signed Carzola but from what I read, Calderon waited till the last day of the transfer to submit a bid for him and was rightly rejected by Villareal...

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:46 pm

he is one of those highly underrated player, but he has exactly the kind of skillset we lack atm. I have seen him playing for Xavi in la Roja, and he does an outstanding job most of the time

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Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:47 pm

I've always been a huge fan and would have relished his arrival. Unfortunate.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:04 pm

It's a shame if you ask me, yet we went out and shelled out 65M for Kaka. Yuck, i would take Cazorla over him anyday now.

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Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:53 pm

That's not a fair comparison in the slightest.
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Post by The Madrid One on Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:03 pm

ur not looking at it the right way hrealmadrid.

when it comes to buisness and players we can use, kaka stands no chance against cazorla.

or atleast back then
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